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Synopsys Statement on Software Patents

Transcript of proceedings from public hearings by the Patent and Trademark Office, Department of Commerce, Docket #931222-3322: Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, January 26-27, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center and February 10-11, 1994, at the Crystal Forum in Arlington, Virginia.

Paul Lippe, General Counsel, Synopsys

Mr. Lippe: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

By way of introducing myself to the Panel, let me say that I've sat where you're sitting. I used to be Chairman of a thing called the Colorado Air Quality Control Commission and having sat through two days of stupifyingly dull testimony about aromatic emissions of oxygenated fuels, I respect your stamina and your willingness to sit through this stuff.

Commissioner Lehman: Well, there's a big difference. That may have been stupifyingly dull, but this isn't. It's intensely interesting. It really is.

Mr. Lippe: So I'm going to try not to echo the comments that you've heard before, but I do want to stand in strong ratification of some of the critiques that Mr. Fiddler from Wind River made about the software patent system.

The problem is, from my perspective, the legal system --

Commissioner Lehman: Can you tell us just a little bit about Synopsys?

Mr. Lippe: Yeah, I will.

The broad problem is that the legal culture and the legal domain is so different from the technical innovation world that when you try to bring them together, at least from the technical people's side, it doesn't work very well.

I'm General Counsel of Synopsys. Synopsys is an electronic design automation software company. I'm also the head of a little thing called "The Public Affairs Committee of EDAC". EDAC is our industry trade association. It stands for EDA Companies. There are about 40 companies in EDAC, ranging from very raw startups to some half a billion dollar companies. EDA is probably one of the two or three principal domains within what your Notice refers to as "computer integrated design".

It is a strategically critical-technology area for the United States, and Synopsys is, in the new parlance, clearly a national technology champion. We make software which is used in the design of complex electronics parts and our customers are in the semiconductor computer systems and telecommunications industries. People such as Sun, Hitachi, IBM, Intel, Siemens.

Synopsys itself was founded about seven years ago, and, in the term of art, industry analysts expect that we'll do around 200 million dollars of revenue this year. We are probably the second fastest growing company in the computer-aided integrated design sector, the fastest growing company in EDA, and we are considered to be one of the hot companies in our field.

The reason I'm speaking today is I want to challenge what I think has been the animating idea behind the move towards enhanced intellectual property protection and patent protection and that is that enhanced intellectual property protection is per se beneficial for US companies.

And my challenge comes not as an intellectual property lawyer, although I am a lawyer, and not as a technologist, because I'm not a technologist, but as somebody with some deep experience in the political sector who's given some thought to what mix of policies makes the most sense to advance America's industrial interests.

And as somebody taking a political approach, I think it's important, when you examine these policies, to think of -- to focus on the outcomes and who wins and who loses and not so much on the product, as well as what the ideas are that are advanced by the various speakers.

The concern that I've got, and I think the gentleman from Wind River and other people have, is that the startup process and the innovation process is inherently fragile, and, as the domain becomes increasingly littered with patents, to have the ability to kill companies at each stage of the process. There are various what you might call choke points, at the financing stage, at the various financing stages, and at the stage of trying to begin to sell to customers, and it's all too easy for innovative companies to be blocked from bringing their products to market. And I want to talk about that a little more.

The fundamental assumption that enhanced protection for patents is favorable to US industry is an idea that I think gained currency in the late '70s and early '80s and it was based on the notion, the basic idea -- and I hope I don't offend anyone by saying this -- that Americans invent and Japanese copy, and the way to make America stronger is to help to enhance intellectual property protection. My fear is that we've gone too far, that we've moved towards more aggressive patent enforcement, at the same time we've moved towards less aggressive anti-trust enforcement, and that the remedy, the inherent remedy for patent of monopoly protection and the nature of patents being issued is not -- we've gone too far.

And the other thing to focus on in terms of the software industry is that software, as the gentleman from Microsoft used to say but won't say today, is a natural monopoly. Being first to market confers an enormous advantage in terms of the ability to set the standard, there are high barriers to entry, high fixed costs and low variable costs, so you've already got a huge head start if you're first to market.

It's not clear to me that there's, as some of the earlier speakers have said and I agree with, that you're really furthering the goal to encourage people to innovate by conferring additional monopoly.

And there tends not to be a lot of success in the software industry for copiers, clones, and followers. I think you'd be -- there are very few examples of people who followed, who have executed a following strategy copying other people's technology, that have been successful in software.

Some of the ideas that underlie increased protection for patents, I think, are misconceptions, at least in the domain where we live.

First, the key idea that I think is wrong is the notion that invention per se is what's important. If you go to a venture capitalist in Silicon Valley and you say "I've invented something", they've got zero interest in that because they recognize that the whole Silicon Valley paradigm is based on the notion that what matters is customer-delivered innovation, which is very different from the level of invention that you need to get a patent, and that's why today the perception of the people in this room who are on the anti-patent side is that most patents are going to big companies who don't sell the products, they get the patents out of their industrial labs and then this group of people that you might call the lone inventors.

But what really creates value for the United States and for the customers is when you deliver the technology to customers in a way they can be used and that, that has not been the focus of the patent law, for good and sufficient reasons, in the past.

The second thing that I think, at least in our domain, that is a misconception is that people actually read patents and use them to advance the wrong technology. No engineer I've ever known has been willing to read other people's patents, and most people feel, at least in our field, that patents don't describe things with enough particularity to know how to copy them anyway.

The third problem is the patents, as you've heard over and over again, I won't belabor the point, have been very incremental, they haven't been significant, and so there's so much overlap space between the existing patents.

And the fourth misconception and I think the most important one is that the patent system protects small companies. As I said earlier, the patent process is fundamental in the legal process, a lot of lawyer bashing goes on, some of it justified, much of it not, but in any case recognize that the process of delivering innovation to the customer is a totally different culture, it's a totally different process, than that required to obtain and enforce a patent.

That doesn't mean that obtaining and enforcing patents is a bad thing, but it's always going to be a diversion of energy and resources, as Mr. Warren said, from that process of delivering innovation to customers, and the litigation process is almost always going to favor the bigger guy because he's got the resources and he's acculturated to going through that kind of drill. Small companies hate it. Engineers, most engineers I've ever known hate it, and they're very uncomfortable and they're very vulnerable to this kind of process.

The other point is that the legal system doesn't really comprehend the technology. We happen to be the leaders in our field, we're glad of that, but the consequence of that is that, of the ten people in the world who understand what we do, eight of them work for us, none of them work for the Patent Office, and it's very unlikely that anybody who's got that kind of leading edge expertise would want to work for the Patent Office, no disrespect to the folks in the Patent Office, but they would like to be building the products and, you know, doing the things that people around here do.

So there's an enormous amount of randomness in the system because the legal system cannot adequately -- and cannot be expected to -- adequately comprehend the technology at the level that our folks do. That randomness, then, introduces enormous transfer costs and friction costs because it doesn't really afford, the current system, doesn't really afford us a lot of inexpensive ways to resolve the issue.

There's an article in "electronic engineering Times" which talks about patents in the EDA industry. The EDA industry is probably the most, maybe along with desktop software publishing, American-dominated industry, 99 percent of worldwide revenues from American companies, and it is absolutely a strategic technology industry, central to everything happening in electronics today, but the people who hold the patents by and large are Japanese companies, with the exception of IBM which is the largest patentholder. Well, these Japanese companies happen to be our customers, they're not our competitors because they don't sell any products, but it is a little worrisome that Hitachi's got 49 patents in this area and they don't sell anything and we've got zero patents in this area. So if we were an earlier-stage company, it would be even more worrisome because the ability of the large company to block the small company creates a lot of uncertainty.

And I was always taught and always believed that in the law predictability has got to be one of the principal goals of any well-conceived legal system and right now people feel like there's very little predictability in the system, instead there's a lot of randomness.

The other thing that's happening in terms of where the world is going in our domain, and I don't know how to deal with this one, to tell you the truth, there's what I call "hardware/software convergence". We're able to represent in software things that were formerly only represented in hardware and so we now have sort of a confluence of the most patent-oriented domain, which is electronic parts, and the least patent-oriented domain, which is software, and it's very confusing.

We've also got the reality that the traditional US patent holders, in particular IBM and AT&T, are no longer as constrained as they have been historically about their anti-trust worries and have been aggressively going after people.

So, you know, one of the anomalies is that there's a very significant technology called RISC, Reduce Instructions Set Computing, it was invented by IBM in 1975 in Fishkill, and that's great but they didn't do anything with it, they left it in the closet for eight years, until Sun brought RISC to market and made a very significant technology shift and delivered a lot of value to customers through RISC. Well, IBM went after Sun and they were able to get Sun to pay them royalties on the technology, but the really important event that occurred was, not the conceptualization and creation of RISC in the lab, it was Sun creating the market and delivering the value to customers around RISC.

In terms of suggestions, you know we've all got sort of overlapping suggestions so I won't belabor the point, I think some of the suggestions that were made were really good, but I think we ought to be thinking, and I would ask you to consider, I don't know how you get there, that some kind of sales is a requirement, that there be some kind of -- I think first-to-file is not going to solve any of the problems, but some notion of first-to-deliver-value as opposed to just having an invention in the lab. Especially where we've got this three-year black hole, where somebody can file a patent and everybody else is shipping products and then three years later people find out that they've got a problem with the products, and obviously Compton's Multi-Media Patent is an example of that.

So my focus point is that intellectual property protection per se is not necessarily a good thing for America. It's good for some companies, it's not good for others.

I think on the whole the thing that we are best at, which is the smaller-company innovation, it is a very worrisome trend and a lot of companies are very concerned about it. I think it poses a significant threat to hurt the job creation and innovation and company creation machines that we've got going, and I'd like you to look for ways to rein back where we are.

 

I obtained this transcript from the internet. In an email on Friday, 28.Jan.2000, I wrote to obtain more info (is it accurate, is it still policy, etc.). I have not yet received a response to this email.


Statements and Policies on Software Patents

Adobe Systems Statement On Software PatentsAdobe Systems Statement On Software Patents: Opposition to software patents in a statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_adobe)

Autodesk Statement On Software PatentsAutodesk Statement On Software Patents: Opposition to software patents in a statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_autodesk)

Borland International Statement On Software PatentsBorland International Statement On Software Patents: Opposition to software patents in a statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_borland)

IBM Statement On Software PatentsIBM Statement On Software Patents: Support for the system in a statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_ibm)

Intel Statement On Software PatentsIntel Statement On Software Patents: Support for the system in a statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_intel)

Microsoft Statement On Software PatentsMicrosoft Statement On Software Patents: Support for the system in a statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_microsoft)

Mitch Kapor's Congressional Testimony On Software PatentsMitch Kapor's Congressional Testimony On Software Patents: Opposition to software patents in congressional testimony by Mitch Kapor, founder of Lotus.  (software_patent_kapor)

Oracle Software Patent PolicyOracle Software Patent Policy: Well written. Reportedly "withdrawn", but worth reading.  (software_patent_oracle)

Silicon Graphics Statement On Software PatentsSilicon Graphics Statement On Software Patents: Support for the system in a statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_sgi)

Software Patent HearingsSoftware Patent Hearings: In January and February of 1994, the U. S. Patent Office held hearings on the use of the patent system to protect software related inventions. This is the text of the Federal Register notice.  (software_patent_hearings)

Sun Microsystems Statement On Software PatentsSun Microsystems Statement On Software Patents: Not opposition but not outright support either. Call it "concerns". A statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_sun)

Synopsys Statement On Software PatentsSynopsys Statement On Software Patents: Opposition to software patents in a statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_synopsys)

Taligent Statement On Software PatentsTaligent Statement On Software Patents: Support for the system in a statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_taligent)

Time Warner Cable Statement On Software PatentsTime Warner Cable Statement On Software Patents: Not opposition but not outright support either. Call it "concerns". A statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_timewarner)

Videodiscovery Statement On Software PatentsVideodiscovery Statement On Software Patents: expressions of the problems for a small firm. A statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_videodiscovery)

Wind River Systems Statement On Software PatentsWind River Systems Statement On Software Patents: Opposition to software patents in a statement at a Public Hearing on Use of the Patent System to Protect Software Related Inventions, Wednesday, January 26, 1994 at the San Jose Convention Center.  (software_patent_windriver)

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