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Yahoo! WebRing Lite

This essay is based on postings to the Yahoo! Club WebringNews, made in four parts on Monday, 18.Sep.2000. This posting was also made to the Ring Managers List.

The essay has been slightly edited for this page.

See also the links after the essay to other resources on this site and across the net including the WebringNews Club, the Ring Managers List and more.

To email me about Yahoo! WebRing, either new problems or fixes to listed problems, email me.

This article is part of the Wazillion Navbars Project: a project to explore and write about the Yahoo! WebRing system. For a list of these articles click here or see the section menu at the bottom of this page.

Note that the Yahoo! WebRing system no longer exists. It has been spun off to the independent WebRing.com system. The Wazillion Navbars Project has been closed. These pages are thus, no longer accurate and do not apply to the new WebRing.com system. Instead, these pages are being maintained for a "historical record".

For current information on the WebRing.com system, see my webring subsection about the WebRing.com system.

 

Yahoo! WebRing Lite The essay

JTPanos wrote

I have had it. Cannot do anything with Yahoo! WebRings. I have either deleted my webrings or offered them to someone else. The system is bad (could use stronger language here) and is nothing like webring.org's system, which worked much more friendly to the ringmaster than Yahoo's. 

SugoiMog replied

Well, the new system allows for less control by Ring Masters but is more user friendly for the clueless. Except for when the server was down, everything has worked for me. I am not particularly fond of the Navbar and hope that Y is responsive to input on changing it, or offering alternatives, like different styles allowing for a bigger graphic or allowing HTML as an option. I can understand why they chose the user friendly approach as I have a lot of clueless friends I have to explain stuff too. My personal preference is to be able to customize everything. And the Navbar will be useful in keeping ring integrity intact. It just doesn't work for everyone like people that turn off javascript and browse text only. 

These two posts got me thinking. And one of the things they made me realize is some ringmasters may not have thought about the Yahoo! business model, how it applies to their Webring property and what it means to ringmasters.

. This is the WebRing.com system logo as of Oct.2006. This logo is shown ONLY to illustrate the logo for purposes of this article. The appearance of this logo in this article does not imply any endorsement or affiliation of any kind between this site or the author and the WebRing.com system.
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This is the new logo for the WebRing.com system, implemented in their changes of Oct.2006. It distinguishes this webring system from the other systems like Ringlink, RingSurf and Bravenet. See also my articles: WebRing.com Logos and Is Webring a Trademark?

The approach of the "original" Webring and the Yahoo!/Webring are very different. One is not "right" and the other is not "wrong". They are just different. Each approach will work for some; and each approach will fail miserably for others. RingMasters need to understand these differences in order to decide what actions to take, whether to stay with Yahoo!/Webring or whether to move to alternative services.

The original Webring, built by Sage Weil, was an exercise in building community that had an interesting side effect: it generated revenue for the tool host.

The Yahoo!/Webring is an exercise in producing revenue and, more importantly, increasing the perceived value of the stock with an interesting side effect: it may build community.

This does not mean that Tim Koogle's approach is wrong. It does not mean that ringmasters should leave the new Yahoo!/Webring. But it is important to understand.

To understand Yahoo!/Webring, you must begin to understand Yahoo! And one place to go is the 1998 and 1999 annual reports.

From the 1998 Annual Report

The only place anyone has to go to get connected to anything or anybody. (description of Yahoo!)


When I am at an event or waiting for an elevator, I am often asked to describe what kind of business we are in. The concept behind Yahoo! is simple --- it is the only place anyone has to go to get connected to anything or anybody. This concept is appealing to people, and I believe that is a key reason why Yahoo! is part of the lives of so many people.


Since the formation of Yahoo!, we have been relentless in building Yahoo! into the only place anyone in the world would have to go to find and get connected to anything or anybody. 


We have always been very focused on acquiring and retaining as large and as broad a global audience as possible.


The core of our strategy has been to build a platform business that satisfies the needs of the largest global audience possible, and in a way that has Yahoo! increasingly woven into their lives. We have always reasoned that if we were to be successful in doing this, we would have millions of people coming to Yahoo! on a daily basis, showing us exactly what they found most popular. We would then use actual consumption patterns to address their needs for content, merchant services, and communication services. The result is a powerful, self-reinforcing distribution platform for an ever-increasing array of content,
communication services, and merchant services. 


From the 1999 Annual Report

We set out five years ago to build Yahoo! into the only place anyone in the world would have to go to find and get connected to anything or anybody. Our goal was to attract and retain as large a global audience as possible and give consumers a single, trusted, and comprehensive place to go for all of their daily needs, be it content, things to buy, or
ways to communicate with each other. From a business perspective, we set out to create a global, comprehensive, branded network. 


Very early on, we saw a significant and unique opportunity to create, perhaps for the first time in the history of media, a truly global branded network business. All past media prior to the emergence of the Internet had physical distribution constraints that made it extremely difficult to build a single, global enterprise. The Internet removes geographic and time boundaries, and for this reason, presented us with an opportunity to establish a truly global network business. We began very early to take advantage of this unique opportunity. We started by creating a comprehensive navigational guide as a platform, and then aggressively built deeper and deeper offerings in content, communication, and commerce off of this platform through extensive partnerships. And we started, early in the market cycle, to establish a direct, branded operational presence in the major connected population centers of the world.

By executing on this strategy, we have built one of the world's largest Web-based audiences, with a total of over 120 million Yahoo! users as of December 1999. We continue to drive deeper and deeper relationships with our global users by offering them an integrated suite of communication, commerce, and media services, becoming more and more woven into their lives as time goes on. And in doing this, we provide an extremely valuable and effective marketing and distribution platform that allows our advertising, merchant, and content partners the ability to connect with very large, targeted audiences on our network.


Our growth strategy has always involved a strategic choice to remain an independent, open aggregator of content and services that we amass on behalf of consumers worldwide. Everywhere in the world, individual consumers highly value choice. And Yahoo! 's unique position allows us to aggregate anything and everything users could want to find and get connected to on the Web. Our brand continues to mean comprehensiveness, trust, choice, ease of use, and rapid innovation. As we continue to execute, our users repeatedly come back to Yahoo!, spending more and more time on our services and registering in increasingly large numbers for a wide array of personalized services. As a result, we have built one of the largest voluntary consumer preference files of Internet users, which allows us to better understand our users, successively incorporate more essential services into the network, and create targeted interactive marketing programs for our advertisers and merchants. We treat our users' information with the utmost respect and have strict privacy policy guidelines regarding an individual's private information.


My Interpretations

So, let's summarize a few points.

  1. Yahoo! wants to be "the" place people go (e.g., "the only place anyone in the world would have to go").
     
  2. Yahoo! wants to use the content to cause people to go there every day as part of their "routine" (e.g., "our users repeatedly come back to Yahoo!, spending more and more time on our services" and "we would have millions of people coming to Yahoo! on a daily basis")
     
  3. Yahoo! wants a "consistent" user interface (a single ID) (e.g., "creating a comprehensive navigational guide").
     
  4. Yahoo! wants to be able to use their technology to (together with the single ID) to monitor what people do to target users. (e.g., "We would then use actual consumption patterns." and "create targeted interactive marketing programs" and "showing us exactly what they found most popular" and "we have built one of the largest voluntary consumer preference files")   

    [NB: Yahoo! strongly professes a commitment to individual privacy.]
     
  5. Yahoo! wants the Yahoo! "brand" to be preeminent.

So what do these mean. They mean that the first order of business for Yahoo!/Webring was to use the Webring (a) brand and (b) concept and (c) existing user base to (a) acquire Yahoo! users (sign up for an ID), (b) create a system that will maximize people signing up for Yahoo! IDs, and (c) maximize visits to the Yahoo! portal.

One of the "problems" with the "old" Webring was that it did not appeal or was difficult to use by (a) ringmasters who are HTML-clueless and (b) Ring Members who are HTML-clueless. Another problem is that it directs much of the traffic to the home page. And, a third problem is that the existence of Ring Controls on a member site did not directly promote the Webring "brand".

Yahoo! has solved these problems. 

  1. The new system can be used by a ringmaster who is almost completely HTML clueless. 
     
  2. The new system can be used by a Ring Member who is almost completely HTML clueless. 
     
  3. The new system puts the Yahoo!/Webring "brand" on every page.
     
  4. The new system ensures that the "brand" identity of the Ring does not overshadow the "brand" identity of Yahoo! 
     
  5. The new system does not require (and, in fact, prevents) "active" management by the ringmaster, attracting people with less time and less commitment.

Does this new system "work"? Yes, I believe that for many future ringmasters and many future Ring Members it will work very well.

I refer to this implementation as "Webring Lite". It is a form of Yahoo! Club for Webrings. 

It probably does little to promote the ringmaster site, but that was not a goal. It probably does little to promote the particular "affiliation" of the Ring, but that was not a goal. It probably does little to promote aesthetic design, but that was not a goal. It might do a great job of what it was designed to do: allow easy joining of a Yahoo! Club for Webrings as a part of promoting the fundamental goals of Yahoo!

So, why all the rancor with the existing ringmasters. Because they are precisely not the target audience of the new system. Many, perhaps even most, of the existing ringmasters were more experienced web designers, who wished to attract more experienced websites into their causes and affiliations.

For me, the most important question is whether Yahoo! will only offer Webring Lite or whether it will also offer Webring Stout . . . the Webring service for the sophisticated ringmaster and the capable Ring Member. If all they offer is Webring Lite, I will leave. If they offer Webring Stout, and if they offer it soon enough, I could stay.

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 Webring News and Announcements

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WebRing.com Changes Big Time ---  It was October 2001 that WebRing.com came into existence following the end of Yahoo! Webring. Now, 5 years later, WebRing.com is changing again. Moving from primarily a free service to primarily a paid service, the system is undergoing massive change. Stay tuned.

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This is the logo for the Ringlink system. This logo is shown ONLY to illustrate the logo for purposes of this article. The appearance of this logo in this article does not imply any endorsement or affiliation of any kind between this site or the author and the Ringlink system.  

Ringlink Activity  ---  While Ringlink has not released a new version since Version 3.2 on 21.Feb.2005, the system seems to be getting a lot of activity. Many people are discovering this great webring system and moving their webrings here. If you don't know about Ringlink, definitely check out this great webring system. I personally recommend it.

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This is the logo for the World of Webrings Community. This logo is shown ONLY to illustrate the logo for purposes of this article. The appearance of this logo in this article does not imply any endorsement or affiliation of any kind between this site or the author and the World of Webrings Community.  

WoW  ---  The World of Webrings features the World of Webrings discussion list. It offers a forum for both webring owners (ringmasters) and webring members to discuss the latest hot topics about all webrings, including WebRing.com, Ringlink , Alt-Webring, RingSurf, Bravenet and others. If you belong to any webring in any webring service, you should join this list.

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This is the logo for the RingSurf system. This logo is shown ONLY to illustrate the logo for purposes of this article. The appearance of this logo in this article does not imply any endorsement or affiliation of any kind between this site or the author and the RingSurf system.  

RingSurf Passes 3 Year Anniversary  ---  It was 3 years ago, on 16.Aug.2003 when the WoW list list noted that RingSurf's domain name registration had changed. Then the new owner came forward. A RingSurf Feature List was developed and debated. Then, on Thanksgiving day, 27.Nov.2003 the new owner posted on the WoW list that the new RingSurf is up! If you haven't checked it out lately, see what has happened in the last three years.

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James S. Huggins is interviewed and quoted in a new Salon.com article entitled: The Strange Saga of Yahoo and Webring (05.Dec.2001)  

Article About Webrings  ---  Check out this excellent Salon.com article about the history of Yahoo! and WebRing.com: The Strange Saga of Yahoo and Webring . For some, it will bring back memories. For others, it will explain the history. Now, I wonder if they will update it to talk about the latest WebRing.com changes.

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The Wazillion Navbars Project

WNP Table of Contents 
 
The August 2000 email: Text 
 
  Project Overview 
 
 The August 2000 email: Advice 
 
  Yahoo! WebRing Lite 
 
  The August 2000 email: Remarks 
 
  The Jan 2001 Changes 
 
  Webring System Hosts 
 
  Descriptions 
 
  Forums and email Lists 
 
  Validation 
 
  Comments Across the Net 
 
  JavaScript 
 
 Mirrors of My Wazillion Stack  
 
  Links and Pages 
 
 Other Large Navbar Stacks  
 
  Glossary 
 
 Letters from RingMasters  
 
  Problem: Split Stack 
 
  Webrings That Moved or Closed  
 
  Problem: Navbar Graphic 
 
  Media Articles 
 
  Personal/Unofficial List of Problems 
 
  Other Yahoo! Integration  
 
  Why You Should Not Delete 
 
  Other Yahoo! Issue Sites  
 
  Why You Can't See The Navbar? 
 
  My Yahoo! WebRing Memberships 
 
  Is "Webring" a Trademark? 
 
  Help With Yahoo! WebRing  
 
  The January 1999 email: Text 
 
 

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Webring Sections and Subsections

The Webring Section is a large section of my website. I have divided it into four major "subsections".

  • General Information
  • The WebRing.com System
  • Webrings I Own and Belong To
  • The Wazillion Navbars Project

each "subsection" has it's own special "logo".

As you travel in the various subsections you will find, near the bottom of each page, links to pages within that subsection and also links to the other subsections. To go to any subsection, just click on the "logo" or on the text link for that subsection.

Webrings - - - A chainmail web of rings - - - This graphic identifies pages of my website about webrings in general - - - This graphic is by Dylon White. Graphic copyright 2001 by Dylon Whyte of artofchainmail.com and James S. Huggins

Webrings: General Information

This subsection includes general information about webrings. Webrings can be hosted by a variety of different services. This section deals with the overall concepts and issues, not with any one particular "brand" of webring.

It includes my Webring FAQ, links to articles about webrings, and general help information. Click here or on the graphic.

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The WebRing.com System

This subsection includes specific information about the WebRing.com system.

While not the only webring system on the net, it is the best known and the most used. I own many webrings in this system and belong to many webrings in this system. (I also own and belong to many webrings in other systems as well.) Click here or on the graphic.

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Webrings I Own and Belong To

This subsection shows all the webrings I own and links to all the webrings to which I belong. This includes webrings in Ringlink, RingSurf, Bravenet and the WebRing.com system as well.

If you are looking to join one of my webrings, this is a good place to start. If you wonder about the webrings I belong to, this is the place to go. Click here or on the graphic.

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