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Why Can't a RingMaster See the Navbar on New and Suspended Sites

Many ringmasters have written me wondering why they can't see the navbar for their particular webring on new and suspended sites in their Yahoo! WebRing.

This article explains that the reason is that they are not supposed to be able to.

This article is part of the Wazillion Navbars Project: a project to explore and write about the Yahoo! WebRing system. For a list of these articles click here or see the section menu at the bottom of this page.

Note that the Yahoo! WebRing system no longer exists. It has been spun off to the independent WebRing.com system. The Wazillion Navbars Project has been closed. These pages are thus, no longer accurate and do not apply to the new WebRing.com system. Instead, these pages are being maintained for a "historical record".

For current information on the WebRing.com system, see my webring subsection about the WebRing.com system.

 

Different to the Original WebRing System

The new system that Yahoo! WebRing introduced works differently to the Original WebRing system.

On the Original WebRing system the ringmaster needed to go to a site to confirm that the WebMaster had added the navigation code before approving a site for membership.

This was no longer true with the new Yahoo! WebRing system. At least, not exactly.

How the Yahoo! WebRing JavaScript Worked

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This is the new logo for the WebRing.com system, implemented in their changes of Oct.2006. It distinguishes this webring system from the other systems like Ringlink, RingSurf and Bravenet. See also my articles: WebRing.com Logos and Is Webring a Trademark?

The webmaster needed to place the JavaScript on his page. But, and this is the important part, he only needed to do it once. Once he had put it on his page, that one piece of JavaScript would automatically suck in every navbar registered to that Yahoo! ID and registered for that particular page.

There are two parameters in the JavaScript code: the "Y" parameter and the "U" number.

The "Y" parameter turns out to be simply the Yahoo! ID of the member.

The "U" number is a seventeen or eighteen-digit number that is assigned to the registered URL.

These two values, the "Y" parameter and the "U" number, let the JavaScript say to the Yahoo! WebRing system:

Give me all the navbars for the Yahoo! WebRing system ID I'm sending that are registered for the URL that goes with the "U" number I am sending.

This let a single JavaScript code create an entire navbar stack.

Want an example? Check out this navbar stack. This stack of (now a part of the WebRing.com system) is created with just one JavaScript. (The WebRing.com system continues to use this JavaScript development.)

What Are the Parts of the Navbar Stack?

There were two primary parts of a navbar stack:

  1. The individual navbars
     
  2. The navbar stack shell

The navbar stack shell was the gray border that surrounded the individual navbars. The navbar stack shell would exist once the JavaScript was placed on the page, even if no webrings in the Yahoo! WebRing system had been approved. If there were no approved webrings in the Yahoo! WebRing system, the navbar stack shell would just exist as a single narrow bar. But that would alert a ringmaster that at least some JavaScript had been placed on the page.

The individual navbars were the webring name, optional picture, ringmaster Yahoo! ID and the links for each individual Yahoo! WebRing.

When Did an Individual Navbar Appear?

That depended.

For the world at large, an individual navbar appeared after membership had been approved. The world at large could not see an individual navbar until membership has been approved.

However, the member might have been able to see the individual navbar before it has been approved. If the member was signed in to Yahoo! using the same Yahoo! ID as was used to register the webring membership, then Yahoo! WebRing would display the navbar even if it has not yet been approved.

This "feature" caused lots of confusion. The member could see the navbar but no one else could, and most importantly, the ringmaster couldn't. You can imagine the emails that went back forth trying to explain this.

So What Should a RingMaster Have Checked?

If the ringmaster couldn't check the existence of a navbar, what could a ringmaster check?

The ringmaster could review the site generally for admittance. The ringmaster could also look to see if there was a navbar stack on the page, even an empty stack consisting just of the navbar stack shell. That would indicate that the member has installed some JavaScript on the page. But it did not necessarily indicate that the correct JavaScript has been installed.

How Could It Be Wrong JavaScript?

Assuming that a navbar stack appeared (even an empty one), two basic things could be wrong:

  1. The Yahoo! ID could be different, or
     
  2. The registered URL could be different.

I have assisted ringmasters with both of these problems.

Wrong Yahoo! ID

In the first case, the person had registered for another webring using one Yahoo! ID and had the navbar stack on the page showing that navbar.

Then that person registered for another webring using a new Yahoo! ID. The person did not realize that using a second ID would require a second set of JavaScript.

The result is that the ringmaster saw a navbar stack, but after approving the membership, the navbar did not appear. The reason is that navbar stack was for the other Yahoo! ID and the JavaScript for the second Yahoo! ID had not been placed on the page.

Wrong URL

In this case the person had registered the main page of their site for another Yahoo! WebRing. But they put the JavaScript on their webring page.

Then when they joined the second Yahoo! WebRing they registered the webring page.

The result is that the ringmaster saw a navbar stack, but after approving the membership, the navbar did not appear. The reason is that navbar stack was for the other registered URL.

How Fast Would the Individual Navbar Appear?

Certainly within 24 hours. Usually within a few minutes.

This means that after approval, a ringmaster could easily check back right away to see if the navbar appeared.

Also, the ringmaster had the new Yahoo! WebRing Automated Management System (AMS).

What Did the AMS Do?

The AMS checked member sites to ensure that the JavaScript existed. If it determined that the required JavaScript code did not appear it would "mark" that site as "broken". A ringmaster could use the Manage Members function to see all member sites that were "broken" and take appropriate action. Also a ringmaster could use the same page to ask the AMS to retest a site.

What About Browsers That Do Not Support JavaScript?

Some browsers do not support JavaScript. One of the largest groups of such browsers are browsers used by the sight impaired. That is one reason that United States and international accessibility standards mandate alternative navigation for sites using JavaScript.

Yahoo! WebRing never did provide navbar support of any kind for non-JavaScript browsers.

The result was that navbar stacks could not be seen by or accessed by the sight impaired using such browsers. Although this site, the Refrigerator Door, has always attempted to comply with such accessibility standards, it was not possible to comply and use the Yahoo! WebRing navbar system.

(I addressed accessibility in general and this particular limitation on my page Disclaimers, Copyrights and Other Legal Stuff.)

Summary

RingMasters needed to learn to not expect to see the individual navbar for a Yahoo! WebRing before the site was approved. The navbar only appeared after the site is approved.

And, if a ringmaster suspended the site because the navbar did not appear, the ringmaster could not expect to be able to see it before he readmitted the site. It would only appear after he readmitted the site.

 
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 Webring News and Announcements

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WebRing.com Changes Big Time ---  It was October 2001 that WebRing.com came into existence following the end of Yahoo! Webring. Now, 5 years later, WebRing.com is changing again. Moving from primarily a free service to primarily a paid service, the system is undergoing massive change. Stay tuned.

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This is the logo for the Ringlink system. This logo is shown ONLY to illustrate the logo for purposes of this article. The appearance of this logo in this article does not imply any endorsement or affiliation of any kind between this site or the author and the Ringlink system.  

Ringlink Activity  ---  While Ringlink has not released a new version since Version 3.2 on 21.Feb.2005, the system seems to be getting a lot of activity. Many people are discovering this great webring system and moving their webrings here. If you don't know about Ringlink, definitely check out this great webring system. I personally recommend it.

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This is the logo for the World of Webrings Community. This logo is shown ONLY to illustrate the logo for purposes of this article. The appearance of this logo in this article does not imply any endorsement or affiliation of any kind between this site or the author and the World of Webrings Community.  

WoW  ---  The World of Webrings features the World of Webrings discussion list. It offers a forum for both webring owners (ringmasters) and webring members to discuss the latest hot topics about all webrings, including WebRing.com, Ringlink , Alt-Webring, RingSurf, Bravenet and others. If you belong to any webring in any webring service, you should join this list.

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This is the logo for the RingSurf system. This logo is shown ONLY to illustrate the logo for purposes of this article. The appearance of this logo in this article does not imply any endorsement or affiliation of any kind between this site or the author and the RingSurf system.  

RingSurf Passes 3 Year Anniversary  ---  It was 3 years ago, on 16.Aug.2003 when the WoW list list noted that RingSurf's domain name registration had changed. Then the new owner came forward. A RingSurf Feature List was developed and debated. Then, on Thanksgiving day, 27.Nov.2003 the new owner posted on the WoW list that the new RingSurf is up! If you haven't checked it out lately, see what has happened in the last three years.

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James S. Huggins is interviewed and quoted in a new Salon.com article entitled: The Strange Saga of Yahoo and Webring (05.Dec.2001)  

Article About Webrings  ---  Check out this excellent Salon.com article about the history of Yahoo! and WebRing.com: The Strange Saga of Yahoo and Webring . For some, it will bring back memories. For others, it will explain the history. Now, I wonder if they will update it to talk about the latest WebRing.com changes.

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The Wazillion Navbars Project

WNP Table of Contents 
 
The August 2000 email: Text 
 
  Project Overview 
 
 The August 2000 email: Advice 
 
  Yahoo! WebRing Lite 
 
  The August 2000 email: Remarks 
 
  The Jan 2001 Changes 
 
  Webring System Hosts 
 
  Descriptions 
 
  Forums and email Lists 
 
  Validation 
 
  Comments Across the Net 
 
  JavaScript 
 
 Mirrors of My Wazillion Stack  
 
  Links and Pages 
 
 Other Large Navbar Stacks  
 
  Glossary 
 
 Letters from RingMasters  
 
  Problem: Split Stack 
 
  Webrings That Moved or Closed  
 
  Problem: Navbar Graphic 
 
  Media Articles 
 
  Personal/Unofficial List of Problems 
 
  Other Yahoo! Integration  
 
  Why You Should Not Delete 
 
  Other Yahoo! Issue Sites  
 
  Why You Can't See The Navbar? 
 
  My Yahoo! WebRing Memberships 
 
  Is "Webring" a Trademark? 
 
  Help With Yahoo! WebRing  
 
  The January 1999 email: Text 
 
 

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