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Personal and Unofficial List of
Yahoo! WebRing Problems

 

This article is part of the Wazillion Navbars Project: a project to explore and write about the Yahoo! WebRing system. For a list of these articles click here or see the section menu at the bottom of this page.

Note that the Yahoo! WebRing system no longer exists. It has been spun off to the independent WebRing.com system. The Wazillion Navbars Project has been closed. These pages are thus, no longer accurate and do not apply to the new WebRing.com system. Instead, these pages are being maintained for a "historical record".

For current information on the WebRing.com system, see my webring subsection about the WebRing.com system.

 

 

This list has not been updated in an eternity. I keep it to show, for historical purposes, what it was like when Yahoo! assimilated the Original WebRing system on 05.Sep.2000.

 

 

Last updated:
10:00 CT, Sunday, 12.Nov.2000

This is an unofficial list. It has been contributed to by the ringmaster community. It is provided because I am obsessive/compulsive about such things. There is no official indication that anyone at Yahoo! WebRing looks at this. RingMasters should not presume that items on this list are being worked by anyone at Yahoo! WebRing unless such comments explicitly appear. 

Please submit additions, deletions, corrections, amplifications or other modifications by emailing me .

 

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Demise of Webring News

When this whole thing started, many of these discussions were held in a Yahoo! Club known as Webring News. In fact, some of the entries here, actually link to specific entries in that forum.

However, the moderator/owner of that club chose to close the club and to delete all the message history. It is, in my opinion, very unfortunate. That club had existed for more than a year and had accumulated much of the history of the Yahoo! transformation of the Original WebRing. It has also accumulated much of the history of the communal response to that transformation. 

Perhaps that is why it was deleted.

A new, rebel club exists named Webring News Uncensored. You can find it at clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/webringnewsuncensored. Feel free to drop by.


Webring's Problem or Yahoo's Problem

16.Sep.2000: Recently, I received a thoughtful email that suggested that it was inappropriate to list some of these problems as "Webring Problems" because they are "really" Yahoo! Problems. That got me thinking. 

One of the things I learned in my very first class on quality (some 10 years ago now) was that customers do not see a business as vertical components. When the customer does not have his package, it really doesn't matter to the customer that there is an order entry department, a computer department, a credit approval department, a billing department, a warehousing department, an inventory control department and a shipping department. The customer doesn't care who made the error. The customer just wants his package.

When Yahoo! assimilated the Original WebRing on 05.Sep.2000, the separation of Yahoo! and Yahoo! WebRing ceased for me. For me, if it affects Yahoo! WebRing, it is a Yahoo! WebRing problem. I don't really care whether it is Webring or Yahoo! or Bonzo or Bozo. 

But the thoughtful email did get me thinking. And, as a result, I encourage Yahoo! WebRing to note any problem on this list, (a) which they agree is a problem, (b) which requires Yahoo! to fix and (c) for which they will support us in lobbying for a fix. I would be pleased to annotate such problems as "Yahoo! Problems".

14.Oct.2000: Despite almost a month of waiting, Yahoo! WebRing has not classified any of these problems as Yahoo! problems. 


Terminology

14.Oct.2000: This list originally used much of the Yahoo! WebRing terminology. Among these is the use of "site" to refer to both the registered page and the owner of the registered page (registrant). I am working to improve the terminology to be more precise. Webrings do not register sites; they register URLs or pages. RingMasters do not email a site; they email the owner or registrant or member.


engineering Response

12.Nov.2000: When the original list of a dozen or so problems was posted on the Webring News club, a person with the Yahoo! ID of y_webring responded with some information. This information was shown as "engineering response". In the months following, however, there have been no official responses. Some responses were filtered through the Yahoo! Club known as Webring News (before that club was deleted and purged, see above). But these responses were not official information. 

Yahoo! WebRing and Yahoo! appear to have taken a strong stand in this matter. They appear to have forbidden their employees from talking to anyone outside their organization about any of these issues. Many of us in this community regret this stance.


Open Items Implementation Problems

This section lists problems which Yahoo! WebRing has acknowledged are deviations or discrepancies between the technical design and the actual performance.

No Implementation Problems have been recorded at this time


Open Items Design Problems

This section lists problems which are either (1) deviations or discrepancies between the functionality commonly desired by the ringmaster community and the existing technical design or (2) new problems that have been recorded. New problems are recorded in this section until (and unless) (a) Yahoo! WebRing acknowledges that the system is not performing as designed or (b) the nature of the problem is clearly and unequivocally an Implementation Problem. Most new problems are initially recorded as Design Problems.

 

(2) Name: Cannot effectively email Single Registrant

Description: While Yahoo! WebRing provides a technical function to email a single registrant, the implementation renders it almost unusable for large webrings.
(Original Name was: Cannot email Single Site. Original description said: "We cannot email a single site. This is related to but distinct to problem 24." This description was revised after the minimal fix disclosed 05.Oct.2000)

engineering Response:  
(1) Added to list of email suggestions. The idea is to use the site's profile link (provided they've migrated) to communicate. It is harder until they have migrated, so we're exploring possibilities.
(2) engineering added minimal functionality for this problem. In the status report posted 05.Oct.2000 they wrote: "You told us what you thought about the limited email capabilities available in Webring and we are responding. Now, in addition to emailing all webring members, ringmasters can email individual webring members or send email to members according to their webring status (i.e., new members only, active members only, or suspended members only). To use these new features, click on the Email Members link on the Ring Hub page." 

Comment: 
(1) The proposed solution requires that the email address be disclosed to the public. Webring members have historically not minded making their email available for use by the ringmaster. However, many object to having it available to everyone in the Yahoo! universe through public disclosure in their profile. The requirement is that ringmasters be able to Email Members WITHOUT public disclosure of email addresses to respect the mutual privacy concerns of Yahoo, the FTC and most of all, the member. For example, this could be through a linked disclosure of the email address (permitting pop-up launch of a blank email message). Or it could be through a form invoked by clicking that would email the user without disclosing the email address, exactly like the bulk email works, but only for one. This would also be exactly like the "Invite Others to Join" function, but without the "canned" text.
(2) The fix created and disclosed on 05.Oct.2000 is not usable for large webrings. The management function requires (a) clicking on Email Members, (b) clicking on the selection to email a single member (registrant), (c) clicking through page after page of listing of individual members to select the member to email. This fix, while technically satisfying the original problem as expressed, is ineffective. To be effective (1) email links should be available next to all listings of sites, (2) email links should open a new window, (3) separately shown member lists should be in a specified order and (4) individual sections of the list should be directly accessible. In other words, as a test, it should be possible for a ringmaster of a webring with more than 1000 members to easily and effectively use the function.

 

(3) Replaced with Problem #90.

 

(4) Name: No Home Links on Public Webring Page

Description: We do not have home links on the public webring page.

engineering Response: Added to list of navigation suggestions.

Comment:  

 

(5) Unresolvable; see below.

 

(6) Name: Can't Change Webring Name

Description: There appears to be no way to change the name of a webring. The Bob, in posting 3599, indicates this is unlikely. The panel for creating a webring indicates it cannot be done. I still consider this a significant problem as the odds of getting the exact webring name you will want forever is zero. I have changed subtleties of each of my four teeny, tiny webrings at least once.

engineering Response: Design decision, but added to list of management suggestions.

 

(7) Name: Can't Change Webring Classification

Description: There appears to be no way to change the classification of a Webring.

engineering Response: Design decision, but added to list of management suggestions.

 

(8) Name: Can't Change Yahoo! ID of RingMaster

Description: There appears to be no way to change the Y! ID associated as the ringmaster of a webring. See also problem 12.

engineering Response: Added to list of management suggestions.

Comment: The only technique currently available is to (1) add a registration to the webring with a new Yahoo! ID, (2) under the old Yahoo! ID, invite the new Yahoo !ID to be ringmaster. This problem expresses that a direct change technique should be available.

 

(11) Name: Limiting JavaScript to One JS-Navbar (Documentation Needed)

Description: Usually, a single invocation of the JavaScript results in many JS-navbars. However, it is possible to have the JavaScript generate only one JS-navbar. Preliminary information is that separate "U" numbers does the trick. There is no documentation on how to force separate "u" numbers.

engineering Response: Design decision, but added to list of navigation suggestions. A single invocation of the JavaScript will yield a "stack" of JS-navbars associated the arguments, including u (URL identifier). 

Comment: The engineering response was partially no responsive. It did not identify which techniques can be used to force unique and separate "u" numbers? (Response confirms that "u" number is a key to uniqueness. Gee. I wonder what "u" stands for.) Subsequent testing indicates that unique "u" numbers can be generated by specifying unique registration page URLs for the webrings. Unique URLs generate unique "u" numbers. The easiest way to accomplish this is to specify "bookmarks" as part of the URL. For example, use http://www.mysite.com/mypage.htm#A and http://www.mysite.com/mypage.htm#B. This will result in unique "u" numbers for these two registrations. As a further refinement of the trick, the actual JavaScript could also be marked with the bookmark so that people coming to the page would position on that JS-navbar. This problem will remain open pending documentation of this technique on the Yahoo/Webring system.

 

(12) Name: Can't Change Yahoo! ID Associated With A Registered Page

Description: There is no way to alter the Yahoo! ID associated with a particular registered page in a webring. See also problem 8.

engineering Response: Added to list of management suggestions

Comment: (1) People chose a Yahoo! ID unaware that it would be disclosed to everyone as a fundamental part of their Yahoo! WebRing identity. Many people assumed, incorrectly, that it was nothing more than an arbitrary, private and confidential "primary key" to their database entry. Discovering otherwise, they would like to change it. In addition, people who are concerned with privacy issues such as those raised by the FTC and Yahoo!, may wish to segregate large numbers of sites associated with one Yahoo! ID into clusters of sites or even individual sites associated with separate Yahoo! IDs in order to reduce the inherent risk of data correlations possible with a single personal identifier.
(2) Currently a registrant must delete the old registration and add a new registration. This problem expresses that a direct change technique should be available.

 

(16) Name: Cannot Modify Email Messages to Members

Description: There is no ability to modify the standard email messages that go out to members.

engineering Response: By design the basic message is pre-enclosed, but you can add additional comments/content on all emails.

Comment: 14.Sep.2000: Awaiting confirmation that all emails can have additional comments/content. A request for a list of all such emails was also made.
14.Oct.2000: still awaiting this information.

 

(18) Name: Registrants Don't See Rules Before Join Function

Description: There appears to be no way for a new registrant to see the rules of the webring before clicking on the join function. Rules for joining are only displayed once the joining process starts. 

engineering Response: Clarify how this is a problem.

Comment: 
(1) It is a problem because it is rude to entice someone to join a webring, then after they click to join and after they wait another 10-15-30 seconds for the join page to load, to only THEN find out that they must read more to find out whether they are permitted to join. 
(2) An engineering change was made in early October 2000 to insert an additional display page after clicking on the join function and before actual display of the registration form. This page will display the brief membership requirement summary. The original problem remains. In addition, because the membership requirements summary cannot link to the ringmaster's site there is no way to fully disclose membership requirements for complex and sophisticated webrings.

 

(20) Name: ARM or AMT or Whatever the New Automated Checker Will Be Called Is  Not Documented

Description: There is no documentation of the automated features - when do they run, what do they do?

engineering Response: We'll be starting automated features once the release is considered stable enough.

Comment: No responsive. The problem is the lack of clear, concise, cogent, comprehensive and correct documentation describing the function of the automated features.

 

(22) Unresolvabable -- see below

 

(23) Name: RingMaster Cannot edit Site Information

Description: RingMaster cannot edit the registered page, the site name nor the description for a user. RingMasters used to be able to correct URL's when they registered the wrong page, had typos, or forgot the " http:// " or incorrect capitalization (UNIX is case sensitive) in addition to fixing or editing language, misspelling, and typos in description & keywords. Lots of members who don't speak or write English very well and ringmasters made minor spelling & grammar changes, or added keywords in American English. This information is not tied to the Yahoo! ID. There are no privacy implications of granting ringmasters update access to this information.

engineering Response: Added to list of management suggestions.

Comment:  

 

(24) Name: RingMasters Cannot Access Site Email Address

Description: RingMasters cannot easily see and access the email addresses for sites. 
This is related to but separate and distinct to problem #2.
Part of the standard T&Cs for membership should be that ringmasters have access to the email addresses for sites. This is true even if the email address is implied through association with the Y! ID. 

engineering Response: This is a legal/privacy matter.

Comment: The ringmasters are confused. It seems that Yahoo doesn't mind if an email address is made available to the entire world by opening the profile to the public but it minds if it is somehow made available to the ringmaster in accordance with standard TOS and disclosures? Note: this problem is NOT about editing the email address (see problem #22). This is about seeing. For example, the ability to identify email addresses is necessary to remove from the webring sites with bouncing email.

 

(26) Deleted as duplicate. 

 

(29) Name: Statistics Missing

Description: There are no statistics.

engineering Response: Coming soon. It's in design/development.

Comment: Please define soon. 
14.Oct.2000: Still awaiting information.

 

(32) Name: Non-members Receiving Messages

Description: Messages to webring members are being sent to people who are not in the webring. This has been confirmed both by a ringmaster (Loren) being told by people who received his messages and the fact that He received messages for webrings to which he does not and did not belong.
(Thanks Loren.) (This has also been confirmed by Holidays4Fun.)

engineering Response: This will be looked at.

Comment: 14.Sep.2000: posting 4052 indicates this is still happening.
14.Oct.2000: This has not been reported lately and may have been fixed. However, I have not had any information from Yahoo! WebRing and am waiting for information from them that they did something before finally closing this problem.

 

(33) Name: JS-Navbar Color Selections Result in Unreadable Links

Description: Reserving control of JS-navbar background colors to the ringmaster and reserving control of the JS-navbar text colors to the Webmaster results in text/background combinations that are of poor contrast, garish contrast or even no contrast. This results in JS-navbars that are difficult to use, impossible to use or just plain uglier than normal.

[NB: A workaround for this problem exists using CSS. It is probably "beyond" the capability of everyone for who the JS-navbar was created in the first place. However, seasoned webring members could use it.]

engineering Response: Added to list of navigation suggestions.

Comment:  

 

(34) Name: Target Tags Should be Customizable

Description: Target tags for the JS-navbar should be customizable both by the ringmaster and the Webmaster. Currently they are customizable by neither.

 

(35) Name: Panels List Too Few Sites

Description: In the various panels listing members, the panel displays too few (e.g., 10) listings at a time. The panels should provide the option to list more at a time. 

 

(36) Name: Yahoo! Miscalculates a Person's Age

Description: Yahoo miscalculates a person's age. For example, a person with a birthday of 01.Jan.1987 is told that they cannot create a webring because they are not 13. (The 13 age restriction is imposed by COPPA and is not a Yahoo! decision.)
14.Oct.2000: Awaiting confirmation from Yahoo! WebRing that this is a Yahoo! problem and not a Yahoo! WebRing problem and that they have advised Yahoo! of the problem.

 

(37) Name: Search Defaults Wrong

Description: When viewing a webring (the page showing the list of member sites), the search function defaults to "All of Webring". It should default to "In This Ring".

 

(39) Deleted as duplicate

 

(40) Name: Search Function Is Not Documented

Description: There is no documentation of the Search function. What components are searchable with searching "In This Ring" on the site list page? What items are searchable when on the manage members page?

 

(41) Name: Unable to Associate email With a Site

Description: Consider this example: you operate a webring with 1000 member sites. You receive an email from someone asking them to remove their site. What is the correct technique to identify their site and remove it? This is similar to, but distinct to Problem #17.

 

(42) Name: Unable to Delete Site Without Sending email

Description: email that is sent when a site is deleted should be optional. The ringmaster should be able to disable this mail.

 

(50) Name: No Documentation Regarding Adoption Options

Description: When a ringmaster decides to "invite a ringmaster" to take over the webring, there is no documentation as to why particular Yahoo IDs are chosen and listed as options. This should be clarified in the documentation. (identified by Dana By Design in a RingMgr posting, 11.Sep.2000)

 

(57) Name: Regarding Category, No Way To Say "Other"

Description: When attempting to create a webring, there is no way to say "None of the above" to the categories. This, combined with a finite listing of categories, results in miscategorizations of webrings. For example, there is (was?) a webring, Steelworkers. It is for welders, ironworkers and fabricators. These are tradespeople. But the trades links lead to stock trading and swap meet trading. The closest option might be Hobbies>>Crafts>>Metalworking. But these are not hobbies; these are professions. There appears to be no place to categorize webrings for people who earn their living by working with their hands. And there is no way to say "Other". (From private communication 12.Sep.2000)

 

(60) Name: Cookie Problem

Description: I logged into WebringNews using ID#1. I then logged into Webring using ID#2. When I go to create a webring and click I get to http://edit.webring.yahoo.com/h/create_ring.html and it recognizes me as ID#2. But when I click on "Create a Ring" it then thinks I am ID#1. It is not correctly tracking the cookies. I should be able to simultaneously access different Yahoo! functions using different Y! IDs on the same computer. 

 

(61) Name: eliminate Logoff/Logon

Description: To assist those managers who manage their webrings under different Yahoo ID's, it would be more convenient if on the page, http://dir.webring.yahoo.com/mbr?p=mr there was a shortcut option to "sign in as a different user" rather than having to work through the current setup of requiring him to sign out, then go to the sign in page to sign in under a different ID, then go back to the http://dir.webring.yahoo.com/mbr?p=mr to manage his particular webring under that ID. 

 

(62) Name: Non-Management Links Do NOT Open In New Window

Description: Previously, Webring opened non-management links (when in Ring Management) in new windows. This handy design feature was inexplicably removed. 

 

(64) Deleted as duplicate

 

(66) Name: Cannot Locate Site Using Site ID

Description: Given a Site ID, there is no way in Ring Management to locate the site.

 

(67) Name: Invitation Only Gives Wrong Join Message

Description: If the ringmaster chooses the Closed Ring option (Membership is by invitation only) in edit Ring Settings, when the Join This Ring button is pressed, the following inaccurate message is displayed:

"Sorry, no new sites are being accepted into this Ring."

This is not true. The message must be reworded. The resulting page should also link to (a) the ringmaster's profile, (b) the Webring Home Page and (c) a direct way to contact the ringmaster. (See posting 4070)

 

(69) Name: Site Removed From Webring Still Shows Webring

Description: When the ringmaster deletes a site from a webring, the it still shows in the site owner My Rings list on the Welcome to Yahoo! WebRing page. But when they go into the My Rings page, the webring that they're deleted from doesn't show in the list. (Posting 4108)

 

(70) Replaced with Problem #93

 

(75) Name: JS-Navbar Web Bug Policy Needs Clarification

Description: The use of JavaScript to access the JS-navbar provides a type of Web Bug. (For an excellent discussion of Web Bugs, see http://www.tiac.net/users/smiths/privacy/wbfaq.htm.) This permits Y/W to collect information, not only about the actual navigation of Webrings, but even about which pages are viewed that CONTAIN a navbar, eVeN IF the navbar is never used. That is, even if the visitor to your site never hops across the Webring, Y/W can know that a visitor visited your page because the Java Script on that page will request the navbar. Y/W TOS and Privacy Statements need to be modified to clarify whether Y/W will collect any such information and, if so, what they will do with it.

Comment:  16.Sep.2000: In posting 4248, Phil notes that on the page where you get the JS-navbar code it says:

Please note that when you have installed the Webring navigation bar, your visitors' web browsers automatically transmit certain information to Yahoo!. Yahoo! does not log or store this information. It is not Yahoo!'s practice to track activity on any Webring member pages. 

I recommend that this be added to the Y/W TOS and Privacy Statements in addition to this page.

 

(76) Name: Webring Join Procedure Needs Clarification and Rework

Description: In posting 4161, uwpix (Mark Beatty of the Underwater Photography Webring) outlines the problems with the current join procedure and requests a revised join procedure. This description replicates that posting.

Since YW seem to have taken an interest now, I'd like to restate a design workflow problem of the new system. In the old system (I know you don't like to hear that, but..) ringmasters generally had a site apply for membership and were given the HTML to put on their page, and RM was notified. I normally check the site for qualification and if okay let it ride until the HTML was added or I was notified. If site not wanted, quick notification was made and site deleted from queue.

Under the new system, it appears a user "joins" in requesting membership, but is given no instructions as to what to do. The RM can check the site for qualifications, but can't check the HTML or JS because it hasn't yet been given, and can't be until the site is approved. But, approval puts them into the webring, breaking webring integrity. With no site numbers you can't even find sites easily to put back into suspended status. Suspended also sounds like a punishment. We can't even do real time webring checking on a site any more.

Since it doesn't appear the designers of the new Y/webring Lite has ever been a webring manager, I suggest this proceedure flow which would even be an improvement over the old one:

1. Site applies for webring membership. (ONLY after being directed to a webring home with qualification rules, or at least having the opportunity to click on a link pointing there). Site placed in "applicants queue". No sense in having member who doesn't qualify modify their web page if they could be denied membership. application form should optionally allow "browsing" to the web page they desire the webring fragment/navbar placed on.

2. RM notified of new application, applicant notified of future expectation and procedures, with link to webring home page for more information.

3a. RM approves application and site sent to "inactive webring members", at which time the site is sent welcome message and instructions for HTML or JS, and assigned a site number. Now the site knows they qualify and can do the work needed on their web page. Less hassle, since denied applications will not have done any web page work.

3b. RM denies site and it is deleted and message sent to site owner, explaining reason if desired.

3c. Conditional approval - RM has form for changes that must be made in order to be approved. RM can require changes to site title and descriptions, Keywords [if they come back], required language or multilingual text, Placement on a specific page requesting change in URL (I run an underwater photography webring, and require that if a site is not PRIMARILY on underwater photography, then the webring banner MUST be on a page that is - I don't want surfers looking for uw-photography, to have drill down in a site to find relevant pages), specific links [next,prev.etc] of old HTML, etc. Site owner can now place the webring Nav HTML or JS as required by webring manager without having to do it once as they see fit, and later changing it to please the webring owner/manager. RM can make the above changes to application information themselves, since the applicant is not yet a public member, and the applicant can simply approve or withdraw the application, or link to RM for clarification/negotiation by email.

4. Site checker checks site for correct HTML or JS and notifies site owner AND RM if found correct. Checker can be run by member or RM manually.

5. RM can run site checker on any individual site as needed getting indication of operability, and visually seeing what page will look like.

6. RM can approve sites moving to "active members", sending email to site owner and welcome message.

7. "Suspended" changed to "inactive members" to get rid of negative connotation of word.

Comment:  (1) Note that this includes some items that might be missed in a quick read. These include, for example, the distinction between "suspended" and "inactive".
(2) In posting 4167 the_webrings_are_broken notes the need for (a) different labels for different types of inactive sites, (b) the need to permit ringmaster comments for some types of inactivity, (c) the need to be able to manually invoke the checker to move a site from the "pending checker" category to an "active" category.

 

(77) Name: Yahoo! WebRing Does Not Support Dual Registration

Description: Some ringmasters would like to permit a webring registration to specify (a) one URL to "hop to", and (b) a separate URL for the location of the webring code. For example, one alternate webring system (Ringlink) supports this concept.

 

(78) Name: Keywords Are Not Supported

Description: There appears to be no way to enter keywords (for searching) as there was in the Original WebRing system. It does appear that old keywords may still exist and may still be searched.

 

(80) Name: Deleted as "non-problem"

 

(82) Name: Join Link for "Invitation Only" Webring Is Misleading

Description: If a webring is marked for "Invitation Only", potential applicants who click on the "Join This Ring" link are told the webring is closed. They should be told that joining is by invitation only and given a way to directly contact the ringmaster.

 

(86) Name: Problems Transferring Ownership of Webring

Description: The process for transferring ownership of a Webring is (a) not well documented, (b) takes too long and results in a period of multiple days during which the webring appears to be not owned and not managed.

 

(87) Name: Problems With RingMaster Site Designation

Description: Posting 4717 by banned_from_webringnews notes two problems: (1) Once a ringmaster site is "designated", there is no way to "undesignate" it; (2) the box showing site status always has the "box" unchecked even if the selection to show ringmaster site was previous made.

 

(88) Name: Problems editing Description Name

Description: Posting 4713 by y_webring notes that the editor for webring descriptions incorrectly calculates description name under some circumstances, including cases in which the description begins with a numeral. 

engineering Response:  Acknowledged at posting 4713 .

 

(89) Name: Problems With Unassociated Webrings

Description: Posting 4653 by banned_from_webringnews notes that if a webring has not been associated with a ringmaster, then (1) the system discloses the former ringmaster name in possible violation of privacy concerns, (2) the system includes a link to a profile that either does not exist or is for the wrong person.

 

(90) Name: No "Ring Home Page" Link on JS-Navbar

Description: An early problem (#3, now closed) was opened and titled "No Home Links on JS-navbar". No detailed description was provided. On 23.Sep.2000, Yahoo! WebRing indicated that a link has been added to the Hub Page (and would be added to the navbar) labeled "RingMaster Site". 

Although this did not close Problem #3 as intended, it might have been perceived as closing Problem #3 as stated. To reconcile this discrepancy, to acknowledge the effort and progress that was made and to further clarify the actual requirement, this problem has been closed. In its place, this problem, Problem #90 was opened. This problem clarifies the requirement for further action. 

The Webring Home Page was missed. The 22.Sep.2000 Status Page from Yahoo! WebRing acknowledges this when it says:

We have heard from many RingMasters that the Webring home page is a feature that's missed.  The Webring Home page . . . served as a place for interested users to get  more information about the webring, learn the criteria for inclusion, and to learn about the RingMaster.

However that same status page says:

The Webring Home page was most generally the RingMaster's site . . . .

While the Webring Home page was most generally on the ringmaster's site, it frequently was not equivalent to the ringmaster's site. 

  1. Webrings do not register sites. They register pages. It is possible to register, separately, hundreds of distinct pages from the same site. It is even possible to register the same page multiple times. There is at least one case of a WebMaster creating a webring solely to use it as a navigation aid for his many pages scattered across many multiple free servers.
     
  2. While not all ringmasters did, many ringmasters distinguished between their page that acted as their membership in the webring and their page that acted as the Webring Home Page. For examples see these three webrings for which I currently act as ringmaster:
     
    1. Web Guard Webring 
      My Membership Page at http://www.JamesSHuggins.com/html/rng1/wg.htm 
      The Webring Home Page at http://www.JamesSHuggins.com/h/wbg1/webguard.htm 
       
    2. Native Peoples' Ring 
      My Membership Page at http://www.JamesSHuggins.com/html/rng1/npr.htm 
      The Webring Home Page at http://www.JamesSHuggins.com/h/nap1/native_peoples.htm
       
    3. Internet Writers' Guild 
      My Membership Page at http://www.JamesSHuggins.com/html/rng1/iwg.htm  
      The Webring Home Page at http://www.JamesSHuggins.com/h/iwg1/internet_writers_guild.htm  

Note that even if I transfer the webring to another ringmaster, my Webring Membership page will remain while the Webring Home Page will move.

The Status Report acknowledges that the new link does not fulfill the full functions of a proper Webring Home Page link:

We are adding a link . . . that will highlight the RingMaster's site, and to serve some of the functions of the old Webring Home page. . . .
[emphasis added]

The Status Report also says:

If you are a RingMaster and want to highlight your site . . .

The purpose of a Webring Home Page link is not to "highlight" the ringmaster's site. Rather it is to point to the designated home of the webring. "Highlighting" the ringmaster's Registered Page (here called the RingMaster Site) is not the same as pointing to the Webring Home page.

 

(91) Name: Problems emailing RingMaster If Webring Not Associated

Description: 14.Oct.2000: Check out http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=spamprotest&list. Note that there is a link to "Contact RingMaster". Click on it. You will go to a page to email the ringmaster. Note that on this page there is a link to the ringmaster profile for "Steve Atkins". This link does not work. "Steve Atkins" is the former name of the ringmaster not a Yahoo! ID. The form to email the ringmaster also does not function.

 

(92) Name: Limited Color Choices for Navbars

Description: 14.Oct.2000: In posting 5914 uwpix asked about this. The problem is the extremely limited number of color combinations available. The request is for information on future plans in this area.

 

(93) Name: Approve New Members Screen Needs Complete Information

Description: All available information about a new registered page and the registrant of that page should be shown on the Approve New Members Screen.

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: This is a restatement of Problem #70. Problem #70 was partially addressed. Changes were made to include specific items requested. Changes were not made to include all information available to the ringmaster.
In an email by another Yahoo! WebRing participant, I was advised that this person thought the original Problem #70 problem had been addressed because the New Members screen now shows  Yahoo! ID, site name and site description. The addition of the site description is excellent!! And this change is welcome. 
However, the problem did not request the addition of specific items. It requested addition of all information and listed specific items as examples. 
For example, as of 14.Oct.2000 the listing still does not show all information. It does not show a link to email the registrant. It does not show the URL of the registered page (though this is included in the link and can be determined). It does not show the "U" number of the registered page. And it does not show the "site id" of the registered page.
The addition of the site description is an excellent change and is commended. However, it is not "all".
Because of confusion over the word "all", problem #70 has been closed and problem #93 has been opened in its place.
This problem specifically notes that "all" means all and that any items listed are only listed as examples.

 

(94) Webring Updates Update the Wrong Webring When Multiple Webrings Open

Description: When multiple windows are open to edit multiple webrings simultaneously, updates to webring information (e.g., graphic, description) may actually update the wrong webring.

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: Noted in a posting this day by Jock Dempsey to the Ring Managers List.

 

(95) Webring edits and Registration edits Are Not Replicated to the Working Database

Description: Some edits to Webring Information and Registration Information do not "take place". Seems to happen in all edit modes and includes changes to graphic, changes to webring description and changes to site description.

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: Noted in a posting this day by Jock Dempsey to the Ring Managers List.

 

(96) Navbar: Width Is Neither Predefined Nor Limited

Description: Neither ringmasters nor webring members have the capability to explicitly limit the width of the navbars.

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: Previously discussed in the Webring News forum as a result of experimentation including the Wazillion Navbars Project. Also noted in a posting this day by Jock Dempsey to the Ring Managers List.

 

(97) Navbar: Double Quotes And Other Reserved Characters Are Not Properly Filtered

Description: RingMasters may include double quotes and other reserved characters in webring names. Failure to properly filter these special characters causes a catastrophic failure of the page containing the offending navbar.

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: Previously discussed in the Webring News forum as a result of experimentation including the Wazillion Navbars Project. Also noted in a posting this day by Jock Dempsey to the Ring Managers List.

 

(98) Navbar: Images Loaded From User Space May Result in Bandwidth Issues; Insufficient Documentation of Impact

Description: Images for webrings in the Yahoo! WebRing system may be stored on the net at a referenced URL or uploaded to the Yahoo! WebRing system. There is insufficient documentation about the effects of decisions in this matter to guide ringmasters, particularly the novice ringmasters who may be attracted to the Yahoo! WebRing style of Webring.

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: Previously discussed in the Webring News forum as a result of experimentation including the Wazillion Navbars Project. Also noted in a posting this day by Jock Dempsey to the Ring Managers List.

 

(99) Navbar: Image Sizes Are Not Limited; Images Are Not Properly Sized

Description: Images for webrings in the Yahoo! WebRing system may be stored on the net at a referenced URL or uploaded to the Yahoo! WebRing system. There is insufficient documentation about the need to properly pre-size images and to restrict their "size". 

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: Previously discussed in the Webring News forum as a result of experimentation including the Wazillion Navbars Project. Also noted in a posting this day by Jock Dempsey to the Ring Managers List.

 

(100) Navbar: Stack Cascade Failures

Description: A single error in one navbar in the stack (e.g., due to not filtered special characters) can crash the entire stack and also the entire page. 

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: Previously discussed in the Webring News forum as a result of experimentation including the Wazillion Navbars Project. Also noted in a posting this day by Jock Dempsey to the Ring Managers List.

 

(101) Navbar: Limit On Number of Navbars    

Description: The Wazillion Navbars Project has demonstrated a limit, and an unexpected, early, and undocumented limit, on the number of navbars within a stack. 

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: Previously discussed in the Webring News forum as a result of experimentation including the Wazillion Navbars Project. Also noted in a posting this day by Jock Dempsey to the Ring Managers List.

 

(102) Navbar: Colors: Local Control of Text Colors With Distributed Control of Background Colors Can Render the Navbar Links Invisible or Illegible    

Description: Because the ringmaster cannot control all colors of the navbar and because the webring member cannot control all colors of the navbar, combinations can result which cause the text to become invisible or illegible. 

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: Previously discussed in the Webring News forum as a result of experimentation including the Wazillion Navbars Project. Also noted in a posting this day by Jock Dempsey to the Ring Managers List.

 

(103) List (hub) Page Problems 

Description: The specifics are given in Posting 5939 by frustrated_al. This description adapted from that posting

Look at the webring anyring. The last three entries in this webring are #118, 410, and 465. The first entry is 399.

The URL: http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=anyring&id=118&next5  gives the expected result: Starting from: 620 of 621

The URL: http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=anyring&id=410&next5  gives the erroneous message: Starting from: 1 of 621 (while actually doing the right thing and starting from 621 of 621)

The URL: http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=anyring&id=465&next5  Gives the message: Starting from: 1 of 621 (for consistency with other non-wrapping pages we would expect Showing 1-20 of 621)

When I finally enter the URL: http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=anyring&id=399&next5  It gives the expected result: Showing: 2-21 of 621

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: Posted on 13.Oct; added to the list 14.Oct

 

(104) Requirement to Use Navbar Is Uncertain; Answers Needed

Description: Yahoo! WebRing does not currently require the use of the navbar. Hardcoded and equivalent links will (obviously) work. The question that needs to be answered is whether the navbar will eventually be required or whether ringmasters may use hardcoded HTML forever. And, if the navbar will eventually be required, ringmasters need a timeframe.

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: discussed for months on various forums. Added to this list 14.Oct
15.Oct.2000: In Posting 6009, ywebringnews writes: "This will not be answered until a determination is made. The last information, as presented by the former Founder, is that the SSNB is not currently required and may not be required in the future. Y!WR has not yet made a finial determination on it's future requirement of the SSNB." The question remains open.

 

(105) Processing of Description Is Not Well Defined

Description: There have been many documented problems with the Description Field for Registered Pages. It is difficult to identify precisely what the problem is because the operation of the field appears to be changing with a high frequency. Previously the field would accept 500 characters. That limit has been revised down to 400 characters. However, I have been able to get descriptions of 150 characters to generate an error that they exceed 400 characters. This appears to be the result of brute force handling of special characters. Repeated postings about this problem received notices that they are working on it and to be patient. For some examples of postings see Posting 5838 and Posting 5839.

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: discussed in a number of postings. Added to this list 14.Oct

 

(106) RingMaster Site Problems

Description: As noted in Posting 5670, (1) Once the ringmaster site is designated, there is no easy way to "undesignate"; and (2) When returning to the edit Web Site Information page for the currently designated site, the box incorrectly is not checked.

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: added to this list

 

(107) Multi-Page Selection Problems

Description: As noted in Posting 5661, "selections" on one page do not carry over to the "next" page. This functionality is neither expected nor documented.

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: originally posted 05.Oct; added to this list 14.Oct
15.Oct.2000: In Posting 6006, ywebringnews writes: "When managing sites, selections on a page are not intended to be carried forward. There is no support for this function either expressed or implied. I have been told that it is under consideration but there is no guarantee that support for this function will be introducted."  
15.Oct.2000: In Posting 6021, I wrote a reply. I indicated that the support need not be expressed or implied in order to be reasonably inferred. It is, today, the way the majority of other sites work. For example, in web shopping, selections carry from one page to another through the "shopping cart" function/metaphor. Further, the problem can be addressed with documentation: clarify the functionality. The problem is that people misunderstand. Help them not to. Add a few clarifying words. Perhaps even have a check in the "next page" function that looks to see if items are checked and warns the person that the items will be "lost" or "not done" if next is checked. Don't permit a person to journey through multiple pages expecting it to work one way to find out it doesn't after a wazillion clicks.

 

(108) Closed

 

(109) Question: What Is the "f" Parameter In the JavaScript? What is the "j" Value of the "f" Parameter?

Description: In an attempt to better understand the operation of the navbar, several postings were made to clarify some functionality. One of the series included Posting 5873. This posting asked about the "f" parameter and the "j" value for the "f" parameter. 

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: posting is from 10.Oct; added to this list 14.Oct


 

Unresolvable Problems

The following problems are now considered unresolvable. An unresolvable problem generally results from a strong difference of opinion between the User community (typically the ringmasters as expressed through Webring News Uncensored, Webring News, the Ring Managers List and other ringmaster forums) and the official expressions of Yahoo! WebRing. It is generally the result of the User community expressing a Design Problem and Yahoo! WebRing indicating that they do not intend to honor that designation. Thus, while the User community must continue to consider it a Design Problem, it makes little sense to leave it on any list of open problems. Such problems are moved here.

 

(5) Name: Cookie Management Problem

Description: Cookie management does not permit a user to conveniently log into multiple Y! IDs for multiple services (e.g., one ID for Clubs, another for Webring management) at the same time. It also appears that switching among various Y! IDs does not consistently work.

engineering Response: elaborate on switching among various Y! IDs. Cookie management observation added to list of management suggestions.

Comment: example: User logs into The WebringNews Club using an ID of Club24. Then opening another browser window, logs into Webrings using an id of Ring24. Then opening another browser window, logs into another Yahoo! section as Section24. Users use multiple Yahoo! IDs to protect the privacy data that both Yahoo and the FTC are so concerned with. Different sections of Yahoo should not presume to share a single cookie.
17.Sep.2000: various postings indicate this is still a problem
23.Sep.2000: Moved to list of unresolvable problems. The Bob indicates that this will not be considered for a fix because of Yahoo!
23.Sep.2000: Personal note: I have asked for anyone at Webring to acknowledge their agreement that this problem should be corrected.

 

(22) Name: Cannot edit Email AddressFor A User

Description: Cannot edit email address for a user.
This is unresolvable because the information that would be edited is no longer associated with the site but is, instead, associated with the user (i.e., through the Y! ID). Thus the user must change the information in the Y! ID or associate the site with a different Y! ID.
This problem is unresolvable due to a fundamental design decision which differs from the needs of the ringmaster community, to wit, making the Y! ID email address the ONLY email address available for a webring site. Resolution would require permitting an email separate and distinct to the Y! ID to be associated with a site. There is reasonably large consensus among the ringmasters that this is important.

engineering Response: This is a legal/privacy matter managed by the FTC.

Comment: See description.


 

Closed

The Following problems are now considered closed unless and until contrary information is received:

 

(1) Name: No Applicant/Addition Notification

Description: RingMasters are not notified of new applicants. Also, ringmasters are not notified of new additions.

engineering Response: Being reviewed as to whether this is by design, or incorrectly disabled.

Comment: 14.Sep.2000: Posting 4092 indicates that the applicant notification may have been fixed. Awaiting confirmation. No further response from engineering as of this date.
16.Sep.2000: I receive my first notification of a new applicant. Now only awaiting confirmation regarding notification of new additions.
23.Sep.2000: Closed as stated. 

 

(3) Name: No Home Links on JS-Navbar

Description: We do not have home links on the JS-navbar.

engineering Response: Added to list of navigation suggestions.

Comment: 23.Sep.2000: Closed. Yahoo! WebRing indicated that a link has been added to the navbar labeled "RingMaster Site". Although this did not close this problem as intended, it might have been perceived as closing this problem as stated. To reconcile this discrepancy, to acknowledge the effort and progress that was made and to further clarify the actual requirement, this problem has been closed. In its place, Problem #90 was opened. Problem #90 clarifies the requirement for further action.  

 

(9) Name: Can't Access JS-Navbar Until After Approval

Description: Sites are not given access to the info necessary to add either old style HTML or the new JS-navbar until after approval; however, we ringmasters have this nasty habit of insisting that the code be there BEFORe we give approval. There needs to be a way to get the code before approval.

engineering Response: Site owners can get the JS-navbar code from their My Rings page.

Comment: #1:  think either I missed the point or the responder did. Can a site owner get the JS-navbar code from their My Rings page BEFORe being approved as a webring site? I have information that they cannot. Code MUST be added BEFORe the site is approved. 
#2, 14.Sep.2000: It is now clear that ULTIMATeLY, "accepting" the site does not "activate" the site. The idea is apparently that when the ringmaster "accepts" the site, it will be moved into a suspended state until the ARM can verify the existence of the JS-navbar. Thus the ringmaster is relieved of checking the presence of the JS-navbar before accepting the site. This problem was logged because of deficiencies in the process documentation for Webrings. Given this design revelation it has been moved to "Closed".

 

(10) Name: Site Delete Function Does Not Work

Description: Delete function does not work. According to The Bob in post 3498, the Delete function should work.

engineering Response: Resolved prior to this post, but if it occurs after seeing this, please report the circumstances.

Comment: Considered closed until contrary information received.

 

(13) Name: Webring Management Functions Not Working

Description: Clicks on various options in Ring Management still do not consistently work. These include emailing members, approving pending sites and attempts to list member sits using the supplied filters (e.g., "Broken", "Active"). See also problem #27.

engineering Response: Need more clarification on what doesn't work. Problems associated with MSIe in management should be resolved at the time of the post. If they occur, please report the circumstances.

Comment: Considered closed until contrary information received.

 

(14) Name: Denied Sites Don't Leave Queue

Description: When a ringmaster denies a site it does not leave the queue. There appears to be no way to remove a site from the queue.

engineering Response: Check the box of the site and press deny. It appears to be working as designed. Perhaps more clarification if it happens now.

Comment: Considered closed until contrary information received.

 

(15) Name: No Deny Documentation

Description: The function of deny is not documented.

engineering Response: See #14

Comment: Considered closed until contrary information is received.

 

(16) Name: Ie vs. Netscape May Cause Problems

Description: There is some evidence that problems may relate to "brand" of browser. In particular, some people are having some success using NN when they are failing using Ie.

engineering Response: Should be resolved as of this post. If it continues, please report the circumstances.

Comment: Consider closed until contrary information is received.

 

(17) Name: Cannot Associate Bounced email to Site

Description: There is no way to identify sites bouncing emails in order to remove the sites. ringmasters have rules. One is that info be kept up to date. That includes email addresses. This is similar to, but distinct to Problem #41.

engineering Response: This needs clarification.

Comment: Ok. I do an email to all my sites. Of the 500 sites in my webring, 50 bounce back with bad email addresses. How do I identify which sites have bad email addresses so that I can remove them from my webring?
26.Sep.2000: Yahoo! WebRing has added identifying information to all emails to members to rectify this situation. As long as the bounce includes a copy of the email, this information can be used. Problem closed on this date.

 

(19) Name: Cannot email RingMaster

Description: There is no simple way for a webring member to email the ringmaster.

engineering Response: Click on the ringmaster's profile link on the hub page.

Comment: (1) Non-responsive. The given answer requires that the ringmaster's email be made public in violation of the privacy concerns of both Yahoo! and the FTC.
(2) A change was made in early October 2000 adding a link to an email form to email the ringmaster. This link appears only on the List (hub) Page.

 

(21) Name: Sites Added Without RingMaster Approval

Description: There is at least one documented case of sites being added to a webring without the ringmaster approval. This came from Tara (tara@recorder.ca) if you need more information.

engineering Response: This will be looked at. this should, of course, not be possible.

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: No further reports of this problem. Closed.

 

(27) Name: Incorrect Help Information

Description: The HeLP information on "how to" do various things contains invalid & false information -- for instance, the instructions to "associate" sites with your Yahoo ID refer to links that do not exist on the page they send you to.

engineering Response: This will be looked into.

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: awaiting confirmation from Yahoo! WebRing to close this problem.
14.Oct.2000: advised that the specific instance listed in this particular problem posting has been resolved. Closed.

 

(28) Name: TOS Confusion

Description: Yahoo TOS Item 8(c) is confusing some webring members. Some are interpreting it to mean that submission of a site to the Webring system grants Yahoo rights to all content on the site. For example, see posting 3512. Also, posting 3649 indicates that this has caused a webring to be deleted. Note that this is an issue not because this is the correct legal interpretation, but rather because it will cause issues among prospective ringmasters and webring members. 

8(c) With respect to all other Content you elect to post to other publicly accessible areas of the Service, you grant Yahoo the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed.

engineering Response: No response.

Comment:  23.Sep.2000: Based on TOS items 8(a) and 8(b) am moving to closed.

 

(30) Name: Cannot Delete Yahoo! ID

Description: It is not possible to delete a Y! ID. This is a problem with many people and is one of the reasons they are hesitant to sign up with Yahoo. There is a belief that once Yahoo knows about you they won't let go.

engineering Response: We don't know anything about this, but how is this a problem for WR?

Comment: Remember the FTC? Remember privacy? People want the ability to LEAVe. If they cannot freely leave at ANY time, they will not COMe. 
16.Sep.2000: A message from Beth Winter (noted in posting 4181), pointed me to a place on the Yahoo! Website that explains how to delete a Yahoo! ID. This can be found at http://help.yahoo.com/help/mail/config/config-12.html. This item is closed.

 

(31) Name: Open/Closed Webring Functions Do Not Work

Description: A webring can be marked "Open (Ring is open for new membership)" or "Closed (Membership is by invitation only.)" However, a webring is marked "closed" there is no way to get a new site into the queue. The RingMaster cannot add a site. Further, if the RingMaster "invites" a new member to join - the message that goes to the new member contains:

a. a link to join, but that gets a message saying that the webring is closed

b. a link to the RingMaster's profile

c. a link to Yahoo! WebRing "help"

It provides no information about the webring, no information about how to GeT information about the webring. and no way to actually join the webring that they've been invited to join. (Thanks to Pamster for this one.)

engineering Response: This will be looked at.

Comment: 17.Sep.2000: in Posting 4318 Phil reports that this problem has been corrected. This problem is closed.

 

(38) Name: Search Does Not Return Anything

Description: When managing webring members, the search function does not seem to return any information at all.

Comment: This seems to have been corrected and this problem is closed on 14.Oct.2000

 

(43) Name: Nickname Search Not Working

Description: Searching for a particular nickname within manage members didn't brought up the same list of sites and they are wrong. 

Comment: Closed by the reporting ringmaster

 

(44) Name: Webrings Showing Phantom Sites

Description: Some webrings are showing Phantom sites. They are completely blank database entries, and entries with only a number as the title with a blank Webring cgi-bin URL as the target. The ringmaster cannot remove these. (reported by Jam237)

Comment: Closed by the reporting ringmaster

 

(45) Name: Deleted Webrings Do Not Disappear

Description: After deleting a webring it still shows when doing a search. RingMasters expect that after deleting a webring all trace of it (where all means, well, all) will be completely, totally and irrecoverably gone. (Identified by badgirlenigma, 3771; confirmed yascrood, 3774)

engineering Response: Database updates take up to 24 hours.

Comment: RingMasters who have deleted their webring, and who still see it after 24 hours should post a note. If we do not hear of such occurrences, we will close this problem.
14.Sep.2000: not hearing further, this problem has been closed.

 

(46) Name: Invited People Do Not Receive Invitation

Description: A Yahoo! ID invited to take over a webring does not receive an email invitation. (Identified by yascrood, 3774)

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: No recent confirmations of this particular problem. Closed.

 

(47) Name: RingMaster Not Receiving Copy of Approval Confirmation Notice

Description: After a ringmaster approves a site, the ringmaster is not receiving a copy of the site confirmation notice. (identified by webdreamers2000, 3781)

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: No recent confirmations of this particular problem. Closed.

 

(48) Name: Wrong Name Appears as Leader

Description: Someone else's name shows up as the "leader" for a particular webring, and that person isn't even "in" the webring. (identified by webdreamers2000, 3781)

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: No recent confirmations of this particular problem. Closed.

 

(49) Name: Associated Webring Does Is Not Shown

Description: A webring was "associated" 3-4 days ago and still does not show up in a search. (identified by webdreamers2000, 3781)

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: No recent confirmations of this particular problem. Closed.

 

(51) Name: User Listed With Different Page Name

Description: A user is listed in a webring with a totally different "page name". The user has fixed it. It then changes to another name. (identified by Tara in a RingMgr posting, 11.Sep.2000)

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: No recent confirmations of this particular problem. Closed.

 

(52) Name: Unable To Segregate Bulk email

Description: It appears that the bulk email function sends email to all members and all queue members. It also appears that the messages do not go to suspended members. RingMasters need to be able to send messages (a) only to the webring members, (b) only to suspended members, (c) only to pending members (queue members), and (d) any combination.

Comment: In a nicely implemented feature, this problem was solved. Well done. The 05.October.2000 status report says: "You told us what you thought about the limited email capabilities available in Webring and we are responding. Now, in addition to emailing all webring members, ringmasters can email individual webring members or send email to members according to their webring status (i.e., new members only, active members only, or suspended members only). To use these new features, click on the Email Members link on the Ring Hub page."

 

(53) Name: No Apparent JS-Navbar Order

Description: JS-navbars are displayed in no particular order by webring name. (It was originally thought alpha order, but this turned out to be incorrect.) Webring members do not have direct control over sequence. One effect is that on ringmaster's sites (that is RingMASTeR) their very own webring(s) may not be listed first. (Based on a Ring Manager post by Tara.)

Comment: There is no suggested solution to this problem at this time. This problem has a work around; see the solution to problem #11. This workaround needs to be documented by Yahoo! This problem is being closed without response from engineering due to the similarity with problem #11. 

 

(54) Name: Improper Canned Text In Mass emails

Description: It has been reported that mass emails are generating the same canned text as "Invite Others to Join". This needs to be investigated. (From Pamster #3923)

Comment:  Closed based on post 4115 by y_webring.

 

(55) Name: Site Can Be Associated With Wrong emails

Description: It is possible to associate a site with a Y! ID using the wrong password. It is also possible to associate a site that has already been associated with one Y! ID with a second Y! ID. It is unclear whether this removed the first association. (From Pamster #3924, clarified in subsequent postings).

Comments: Yahoo! WebRing advised [t. m.] that it is unable to investigate this problem because of the lack of specifics. Closed.

 

(56) Name: Webrings Show as "Adoptable"

Description: Webrings that were "deleted" in the old system now appear with an "Adoptable Webring" link. However, webrings can no longer be adopted. Clicking on the "Adoptable Ring" link results in "User Not Found". Perhaps these should be deleted from the system. (From Pamster #3925)

Comment:  Closed 14.Oct.2000 as fixed.

 

(58) Name: Phantom Webring Appears

Description: Posting 4023 describes a situation in which a phantom webring appears to have been created and appears on a Yahoo member's "My Rings" page. The member is unable to delete the webring nor to delete the site associated with the webring.

Comment:  Posting 4348 advises the problem no longer exists and suggested closing this problem.

 

(59) Name: Delete Does Adopt

Description: The Delete Ring reportedly (post #4087) takes you to an "Adopt" page. The function of this link is not clear. 

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: Closed. 

 

(63) Name: TOS Problem With Submitted Graphics

Description: Yahoo! should clarify in TOS that submitting graphics to Yahoo! for use in the Webring system does not grant Yahoo! rights to use such graphics, particularly after disassociation of the copyright owner from the system. (See posting #4105 and prior.)

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: TOS clarifies this. Closed.

 

(65) Name: JS-Navbar Link In Welcome email Does Not Work

Description: A link to obtain the JS-navbar sent in a welcome message to a new site does not work. It results in a message of "Unauthorized Access to Ring Management". (Posted 4079)

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: No further confirmations of this problem. Believe fixed. Closed. 

 

(68) Name: Invitation email Contains Incorrect Link

Description: If the ringmaster invites a Yahoo member to join, the link given takes the member to the same erroneous message as problem #67:

"Sorry, no new sites are being accepted into this Ring."

This is clearly a bug.

Comment:  Closed based on posting 4114 by y_webring.

 

(70) Name: Approve New Members Screen Needs Complete Information

Description: The approve new members screen should show all information available to the ringmaster. This includes the Yahoo! ID, the registered URL, the site name and the site description. RingMasters use all of this information when deciding whether to approve a site. (Posting 4054)

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: Problem #70 was partially addressed. Changes were made to include specific items requested. Changes were not made to include all information available to the ringmaster.
In an email by another Yahoo! WebRing participant, I was advised that this person thought the original Problem #70 problem had been addressed because the New Members screen now shows  Yahoo! ID, site name and site description. The addition of the site description is excellent!! And this change is welcome. 
However, the problem did not request the addition of specific items. It requested addition of all information and listed specific items as examples. 
For example, as of 14.Oct.2000 the listing still does not show all information. It does not show a link to email the registrant. It does not show the URL of the registered page (though this is included in the link and can be determined). It does not show the "U" number of the registered page. And it does not show the "site id" of the registered page.
The addition of the site description is an excellent change and is commended. However, it is not "all".
Because of confusion over the word "all", problem #70 has been closed and problem #93 has been opened in its place.
This problem specifically notes that "all" means all and that any items listed are only listed as examples.

 

(71) Name: JS-Navbar Is Intermittent

Description: The new JS-navbar is now working intermittently. Sometimes the entire "body" appears and sometimes just the "heading". The Webring ID is "imacmade". All of the sites using the new JS-NAVBAR (1,3,10,11,12,13 and 14) are being affected. The webring hub is http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=imacmade&id=1&hub  (Posting 4138)

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: Believe fixed. Closed. 

 

(72) Name: Additional Text On Site Deleted Message Is Buried

Description: The "standard" text that Yahoo! places in the site deleted message is so long that the additional text can be buried and not noticed. (See 4041, 4045, 4050, 4066, et. al.)

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: Believe fixed. Closed. 

 

(73) Name: Deletion Messages Misrouted On Multiple Deletes

Description: When deleting more than one site at a time (via the check boxes) all notification messages are sent to one site. Delete 10 sites at once, and only one site gets all 10 messages. (post 4040)

Comment:  Based on post 4145 from y_webring, closed as fixed.

 

(74) Name: Webring Up For Adoption Has Bad Yahoo! ID For RingMaster

Description: A webring put of for adoption has a bad Yahoo! ID listed as the RingMaster. See http://edit.webring.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/membercgi?ring=vbsring;addform As RingMaster it has Yahoo!_Webring http://profiles.yahoo.com/Yahoo!_Webring

Comment:  Closed as duplicate of #89

 

(79) Name: Following a Search of Webring Hub, No Way to View All Sites

Description: Posting 4222 by Loren Finkelstein notes that after searching within the webring hub to find a site there appears to be no way to turn of the filter to view all sites.

Comment:  Believed corrected. Closed 14.Oct.2000

 

(81) Name: Mail to the RingMaster Still Goes to Original Email Address

Description: Mail to the ringmaster goes to the ORIGINAL email address used to create a webring. It appears that altering the email address associated with the ringmaster's Yahoo! ID does not redirect ringmaster email. See Posting 4234 by the_webrings_are_broken

Comment:  Believe fixed. Closed 14.Oct.2000

 

(83) Name: Nothing on the Search Results Page Indicates It Is a Search Results Page

Description: Posting 4324 by Phil notes that after searching within the webring hub the results page looks exactly like the normal list page. There is nothing to "remind" anyone that the list is "filtered". Something simple like "Your search found the following sites" would do the job.

Comment: 14.Oct.2000: A search on the hub page using "Within this ring" returns search results page showing a message "Your query resulted in the sites shown below". Closed

 

(84) Name: Bulk email To Yahoo! Members Identified as Spam (By Yahoo!)

Description: Posting 2499 and Posting 4326 by Jam237 notes that emails sent to members are being "recognized" as junk email or spam, by many ISPs, including Yahoo! Mail. (Personal note: I call this a "left-hand/right-hand problem".) Yahoo! WebRing must correct this problem. 

Comment:  Believe corrected. Closed 14.Oct.2000

 

(85) Name: Status of Members Is Not Precise

Description: Posting 4344 by the_webrings_are_broken notes that even when you are in the Queue for a webring, the status shows as "Member". The status should show precise status. These might include Active, Broken, Suspended, Undetermined or Queue. 

Comment: 
23.Sep.2000: "Name" corrected. Previously was incorrectly shown as the same as #84.
14.Oct.2000: Believe corrected. Closed. May be reopened following deployment of AMT.

 

(108) Question: Does the "U" Number Depend Only On the Registered URL?

Description: In an attempt to better understand the operation of the navbar, several postings were made to clarify some functionality. One of the series included Posting 5873. This posting asked whether the "U" number is constructed only on the Registered URL. 

Comment:  14.Oct.2000: posting is from 10.Oct; added to this list 14.Oct
15.Oct.2000: In Posting 6007, ywebringnews wrote of the results of a test showing that the Yahoo! ID influences the calculation of the "U" number. Question is closed. 

 
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 Webring News and Announcements

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WebRing.com Changes Big Time ---  It was October 2001 that WebRing.com came into existence following the end of Yahoo! Webring. Now, 5 years later, WebRing.com is changing again. Moving from primarily a free service to primarily a paid service, the system is undergoing massive change. Stay tuned.

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This is the logo for the Ringlink system. This logo is shown ONLY to illustrate the logo for purposes of this article. The appearance of this logo in this article does not imply any endorsement or affiliation of any kind between this site or the author and the Ringlink system.  

Ringlink Activity  ---  While Ringlink has not released a new version since Version 3.2 on 21.Feb.2005, the system seems to be getting a lot of activity. Many people are discovering this great webring system and moving their webrings here. If you don't know about Ringlink, definitely check out this great webring system. I personally recommend it.

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This is the logo for the World of Webrings Community. This logo is shown ONLY to illustrate the logo for purposes of this article. The appearance of this logo in this article does not imply any endorsement or affiliation of any kind between this site or the author and the World of Webrings Community.  

WoW  ---  The World of Webrings features the World of Webrings discussion list. It offers a forum for both webring owners (ringmasters) and webring members to discuss the latest hot topics about all webrings, including WebRing.com, Ringlink , Alt-Webring, RingSurf, Bravenet and others. If you belong to any webring in any webring service, you should join this list.

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This is the logo for the RingSurf system. This logo is shown ONLY to illustrate the logo for purposes of this article. The appearance of this logo in this article does not imply any endorsement or affiliation of any kind between this site or the author and the RingSurf system.  

RingSurf Passes 3 Year Anniversary  ---  It was 3 years ago, on 16.Aug.2003 when the WoW list list noted that RingSurf's domain name registration had changed. Then the new owner came forward. A RingSurf Feature List was developed and debated. Then, on Thanksgiving day, 27.Nov.2003 the new owner posted on the WoW list that the new RingSurf is up! If you haven't checked it out lately, see what has happened in the last three years.

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James S. Huggins is interviewed and quoted in a new Salon.com article entitled: The Strange Saga of Yahoo and Webring (05.Dec.2001)  

Article About Webrings  ---  Check out this excellent Salon.com article about the history of Yahoo! and WebRing.com: The Strange Saga of Yahoo and Webring . For some, it will bring back memories. For others, it will explain the history. Now, I wonder if they will update it to talk about the latest WebRing.com changes.

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The Wazillion Navbars Project

WNP Table of Contents 
 
The August 2000 email: Text 
 
  Project Overview 
 
 The August 2000 email: Advice 
 
  Yahoo! WebRing Lite 
 
  The August 2000 email: Remarks 
 
  The Jan 2001 Changes 
 
  Webring System Hosts 
 
  Descriptions 
 
  Forums and email Lists 
 
  Validation 
 
  Comments Across the Net 
 
  JavaScript 
 
 Mirrors of My Wazillion Stack  
 
  Links and Pages 
 
 Other Large Navbar Stacks  
 
  Glossary 
 
 Letters from RingMasters  
 
  Problem: Split Stack 
 
  Webrings That Moved or Closed  
 
  Problem: Navbar Graphic 
 
  Media Articles 
 
  Personal/Unofficial List of Problems 
 
  Other Yahoo! Integration  
 
  Why You Should Not Delete 
 
  Other Yahoo! Issue Sites  
 
  Why You Can't See The Navbar? 
 
  My Yahoo! WebRing Memberships 
 
  Is "Webring" a Trademark? 
 
  Help With Yahoo! WebRing  
 
  The January 1999 email: Text 
 
 

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The Webring Section is a large section of my website. I have divided it into four major "subsections".

each "subsection" has it's own special "logo".

As you travel in the various subsections you will find, near the bottom of each page, links to pages within that subsection and also links to the other subsections. To go to any subsection, just click on the "logo" or on the text link for that subsection.

Webrings - - - A chainmail web of rings - - - This graphic identifies pages of my website about webrings in general - - - This graphic is by Dylon White. Graphic copyright 2001 by Dylon Whyte of artofchainmail.com and James S. Huggins

Webrings: General Information

This subsection includes general information about webrings. Webrings can be hosted by a variety of different services. This section deals with the overall concepts and issues, not with any one particular "brand" of webring.

It includes my Webring FAQ, links to articles about webrings, and general help information. Click here or on the graphic.

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The WebRing.com System

This subsection includes specific information about the WebRing.com system.

While not the only webring system on the net, it is the best known and the most used. I own many webrings in this system and belong to many webrings in this system. (I also own and belong to many webrings in other systems as well.) Click here or on the graphic.

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Webrings I Own and Belong To

This subsection shows all the webrings I own and links to all the webrings to which I belong. This includes webrings in Ringlink, RingSurf, Bravenet and the WebRing.com system as well.

If you are looking to join one of my webrings, this is a good place to start. If you wonder about the webrings I belong to, this is the place to go. Click here or on the graphic.

 

 

The extra text menu links (previously here) are being removed in the site redesign.
Browser and search engine improvements have eliminated the motivation/necessity for them.

 


NOTICE --- SITE CURRENTLY UNDERGOING EXTENSIVE REWRITE -
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It is part of the site that is in progress".

Click here for more information on the rewrite, including examples of the new database for link lists and the graphic-link-symbols.

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