The WebRing.com System

Forums, Email Lists and Other Resources

This page provides information about the various forums and email lists devoted to discussing both webrings in general and also particular webring systems. It also links to other resource sites.

What are forums and email lists?

	This is the new logo for the WebRing.com system, implemented in their changes of Oct.2006. It distinguishes this webring system from the other systems like Ringlink, RingSurf and Bravenet. See also my articles: WebRing.com Logos and Is Webring a Trademark?

When Yahoo! began the process of assimilating the Original WebRing system, the information traveled like lightening across the net through the various forums and email lists that exist to discuss webrings.

Some of these lists continue even to this day, after Yahoo! has spun off the Yahoo! WebRing system to create the WebRing.com system.

This page presents a sampling of the most active and most important of these forums and lists.

If you are a ringmaster, or if you are considering becoming a ringmaster, or if you are a member of a wazillion webrings, you should investigate these forums and email lists.

If you would like to suggest another forum or list, please email me.

Current Forums and Email Lists

World of Webrings List: This email discussion list is not targeted to any particular webring system. Instead it supports discussion of all of them, including the former Yahoo! WebRing and its successor the WebRing.com system, Ringlink (the "open source" self-hosted webring system), RingSurf (which has had explosive growth immediately after the Yahoo! WebRing merger), Bravenet, and any others that spring up. I strongly encourage all ringmasters to join this list. You join on the web.  ««»»

Ringlink List: An email list for Ringlink. Specifically supports the Ringlink system. If you host a Ringlink system, you should definitely be on this list. ««»»  

Web Page and HTML Help for Webring Users: Because the Member Resources & Technical Support forum (see below) cannot answer questions related to web pages and HTML. For example, if you cannot add the code to your page or if adding the code causes your page to do weird things, Andrea's forum can't help. This forum exists for that purpose. This forum is related to the Web Page and HTML Help for Webring Users webring. I own this webring and this forum. ««»»  

Webring (WebRing.com): A successor to the Official Webring Help Club (now inactive and deleted, see below), this WebRing.com hosted Forum is also administered by Andrea. (Andrea has been a system volunteer perhaps longer than any other person. She gives many hours in the support of the system through things like this forum.) It is an open discussion forum to discuss WebRing.com features, wishes, thoughts and the like. However, users are discouraged from posting any problems or questions that require answers. Andrea prefers that such questions be directed to the Member Resources and Technical Support forum (see below) which she also administers. (NB: Questions directed to the Member Resources and Technical Support webring can only be answered by Andrea.)  ««»»  

Webring Managers (WebRing.com): A successor to the Official Webring Help Club (now inactive and deleted, see below), this WebRing.com hosted Forum is associated with the Webring Managers webring owned by Andrea. It is a place for managers of WebRing.com system webrings to discuss ideas, ethics, tactics, etc. This forum does not permit any discussion of any other type of webring and is closely moderated. Users are prohibited from posting any problems or questions that require answers. Andrea prefers that such questions be directed to the Member Resources and Technical Support forum (see below) which she also administers. (NB: Questions directed to the Member Resources and Technical Support webring can only be answered by Andrea.)  ««»»

Member Resources & Technical Support: A successor to the Official Webring Help Club (now inactive and deleted, see below), this WebRing.com hosted Forum is also administered by Andrea (i.e.,  Andreasrings). It focuses exclusively on issues with the WebRing.com system. Commentary and discussion is not permitted. The forum exists to posts issues and questions and to await responses by Andrea. Responses and help from others is also not permitted. Andreas has contact into the WebRing.com system organization and can help to intervene to fix a problem. (The other related forums, called "Webring" and "Webring Managers" allow commentary but discourage or prohibit questions requiring answers.)   ««»» 

Inactive or Deleted Forums and Email Lists

Webring News Uncensored (inactive and possibly deleted): A Yahoo! Club dedicated to Yahoo! WebRing. Founded after aggressive moderation of the club called Webring News caused many deleted posts and banned Yahoo! IDs. Yahoo! WebRing claimed to not monitor this club. And even semi-official answers were not posted. However, the club consolidated information from other sources, including the other Webring News. Now mostly inactive, the club still serves as a repository for some of the history of the Yahoo! WebRing system.  ««»»

Webring News (inactive and deleted): This was another Yahoo! Club dedicated to Yahoo! WebRing. However, it was closed by the moderator/owner and all club message history was purged. It is, in my opinion, very unfortunate. This club had existed for more than a year and was once the closest thing there was to an official information conduit. Not official, but close. The Club Moderator, Bob Marion (who I nicknamed "The Bob") has old contacts into the StarSeed organization and hence into Yahoo! WebRing. The postings were a bit too moderated for my personal taste. I had many postings deleted (some now echoed at Webring News Uncensored) and at least one Yahoo! ID banned. Still, this club had accumulated much of the history of the Yahoo! transformation of the Original WebRing. It had also accumulated much of the history of the communal response to that transformation. Perhaps that is why it was deleted and purged. Let's just say I'm not expecting a Christmas card from Yahoo! this year.  ««»»

Official Webring Help (inactive and deleted): Founded by Andreasrings, this club is the successor to a prior club: Surviving Y WR. It focuses exclusively on problems with the WebRing.com system. Commentary and discussion is not permitted. The forum exists to posts issues and questions and to await responses by Andreasrings. Responses and help from others is also not permitted. Andreasrings has contact into the WebRing.com system organization and can help to intervene to fix a problem. This club has been replaced with the Member Resources and Technical Support Forum.  ««»»

Surviving Y WR (inactive and deleted): Founded by Andreasrings, this club focused exclusively on problems with Yahoo! WebRing. After Yahoo! spun off the system creating the WebRing.com system, this club became an open forum for commentary about the WebRing.com system. It's "official" status was replaced by a new club: Official Webring Help.  ««»»  

The RingMasters Mailing List (inactive and possibly deleted): Formerly an "official" ringmasters discussion list affiliated with the Original WebRing. Possibly "gone". Certainly the least active of the "major" forums. To subscribe, send email and type "subscribe ringmasters-l YourEmail" in the message body. ««»»

Y Webring News Club 'Opinions' (inactive and possibly deleted): Together with the parallel club 'Problems' this club received significant membership postings. It was not, at last check, inactive, per se, but its message volume is very low.  ««»»

Y Webring News Club 'Problems' (inactive and possibly deleted): Together with the parallel club 'Opinions' this club received significant membership postings.  It was not, at last check, inactive, per se, but its message volume is very low.  ««»»

Ringlinks Club: A Yahoo! Club for Ringlink. Very little activity because most Ringlink discussion occurs on the Rinlink Mailing List (see above). However, it helps Yahoo! Clubbers to find Ringlink.  ««»»  

RingSurf (Club): One of the many clubs created as a result of the Yahoo! WebRing Assimilation, this one was dedicated to RingSurf. In the early days it served as a forum between the dissatisfied Yahoo! WebRing community and the RingSurf development community, helping to explore new ideas and features. Today it is mostly inactive.  ««»»

RingSurf Club: A second club for RingSurf, this one was started by someone who was upset over one email on the first RingSurf club. Today it is mostly inactive.  ««»»

Other Forums and Email Lists

WebringCommunityNewsClub: One of the many clubs created as a result of the Yahoo! WebRing Assimilation. It is now a small club with occasional postings.  ««»»  

The Dark Lord YWebring's Club: One of the many clubs created as a result of the Yahoo! WebRing Assimilation, this one has a "dark" color. Never as active as some of the others, it did have some creative postings.  ««»»

RingSurf Takes Over YWebring: Another of the many clubs created as a result of the Yahoo! WebRing Assimilation, this one never developed a large membership base. But it is an example of the "emotion" behind many of these clubs.  ««»»

yborgGROUPS: This protest club only garnered a couple members and a couple posts. But I like the name and graphic.  ««»»  

The Official Pissed Off With Yahoo! Club (oohaY seitiCeoG System Status): This protest club only garnered a couple members and a couple posts. It was quiet for months. But it still exists and sometimes gets another post or two. ««»»  

Other Resources

World of Webrings: This community site is not targeted to any particular webring system. Instead it supports all of them, including the former Yahoo! WebRing and its successor the WebRing.com system, Ringlink (the "open source" self-hosted webring system), RingSurf (which had explosive growth immediately after the Yahoo! WebRing merger), Bravenet, and any others that spring up. It is a great site and I support it. ««»»

Andrea's WebRing Users Guide: Also by Andrea (see above), this is a "sanctioned" help site for the WebRing.com system. ««»»  

A Personal Note:
If You Want to Delete Your Webring

If you are considering deleting your WebRing.com webring, please do not delete it. Instead, please contact me . I would be pleased to adopt it from you. I will personally work with you to make that transition smooth and painless.

I'm sorry. While I have long adopted webrings in the WebRing.com system, because of the Oct.2006 changes, I am no longer doing that.

However, please note that "deleting" your webring is a fruitless exercise. The system will just restore it and place it up for adoption.

Webring News and Announcements

WebRing.com Changes Big Time ---  It was October 2001 that WebRing.com came into existence following the end of Yahoo! Webring. Now, 5 years later, WebRing.com is changing again. Moving from primarily a free service to primarily a paid service, the system is undergoing massive change. Stay tuned.

Ringlink Activity  ---  While Ringlink has not released a new version since Version 3.2 on 21.Feb.2005, the system seems to be getting a lot of activity. Many people are discovering this great webring system and moving their webrings here. If you don't know about Ringlink, definitely check out this great webring system. I personally recommend it.

WoW  ---  The World of Webrings features the World of Webrings discussion list. It offers a forum for both webring owners (ringmasters) and webring members to discuss the latest hot topics about all webrings, including WebRing.com, Ringlink , Alt-Webring, RingSurf, Bravenet and others. If you belong to any webring in any webring service, you should join this list.

RingSurf Passes 3 Year Anniversary  ---  It was 3 years ago, on 16.Aug.2003 when the WoW list list noted that RingSurf's domain name registration had changed. Then the new owner came forward. A RingSurf Feature List was developed and debated. Then, on Thanksgiving day, 27.Nov.2003 the new owner posted on the WoW list that the new RingSurf is up! If you haven't checked it out lately, see what has happened in the last three years.

Article About Webrings  ---  Check out this excellent Salon.com article about the history of Yahoo! and WebRing.com: The Strange Saga of Yahoo and Webring . For some, it will bring back memories. For others, it will explain the history. Now, I wonder if they will update it to talk about the latest WebRing.com changes.

Articles About the WebRing.com System

Webring Sections and Subsections

The Webring Section is a large section of my website. I have divided it into four major "subsections".

• General Information
• The WebRing.com System
• Webrings I Own and Belong To
• The Wazillion Navbars Project

Each "subsection" has it's own special "logo".

As you travel in the various subsections you will find, near the bottom of each page, links to pages within that subsection and also links to the other subsections. To go to any subsection, just click on the "logo" or on the text link for that subsection.

Webrings: General Information

This subsection includes general information about webrings. Webrings can be hosted by a variety of different services. This section deals with the overall concepts and issues, not with any one particular "brand" of webring.

It includes my Webring FAQ, links to articles about webrings, and general help information. Click here or on the graphic.

The Wazillion Navbars Project

This subsection is a historical section about the Yahoo! WebRing system. It was begun during the early days of problems with the Yahoo! WebRing system in September 2000.

It ended when the Yahoo! WebRing system spun off into the independent WebRing.com system in October 2001. I maintain it for the historical record. Click here or on the graphic.

Webrings I Own and Belong To

This subsection shows all the webrings I own and links to all the webrings to which I belong. This includes webrings in Ringlink, RingSurf, Bravenet and the WebRing.com system as well.

If you are looking to join one of my webrings, this is a good place to start. If you wonder about the webrings I belong to, this is the place to go. Click here or on the graphic.

Last updated:
16:46, Fri, 27.Jun.2008